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Lillard is #4 player in NBA according to Real Plus Minus rating system.

RPM (liked Adjusted Plus/Minus) does a linear regression to estimate each player's offense & defense.rating based on scoring observations when a given set of players is on the floor. But it also somehow factors in a prior information like individual statistics to try to reduce variance.

The nice thing about RPM is that it can "see" intangibles which do not result in any individual statistics. That bad thing is it has high variance and also has trouble separating one player from another if two players are almost always on the floor together.

Lillard is #2 in WAR which is wins attributable to a player based on RPM and minutes played.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

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RK	NAME                	TEAM	GP	MPG	ORPM	DRPM	RPM	WAR
1	Stephen Curry, PG	GS	30	33.3	5.48	1.97	7.45	6.36
2	DeMarcus Cousins, C	SAC	21	32.3	2.51	4.25	6.76	3.52
3	James Harden, SG	HOU	31	37.4	5.53	1.12	6.65	5.88
4	Damian Lillard, PG	POR	33	35.9	5.24	1.24	6.48	5.99
5	Kyle Lowry, PG   	TOR	32	34.5	5.97	0.44	6.41	5.53
6	Russell Westbrook, PG	OKC	19	31.0	5.53	0.56	6.09	2.89
7	Tim Duncan, PF   	SA	29	32.1	0.71	5.30	6.01	4.15
8	Anthony Davis, PF	NO	31	35.7	2.29	3.69	5.98	5.35
9	Chris Paul, PG    	LAC	33	34.7	5.43	0.53	5.96	5.66
10	Tyson Chandler, C	DAL	32	29.9	2.37	2.80	5.17	4.41
11	Paul Millsap, PF   	ATL	31	33.6	2.13	2.67	4.80	4.49
12	John Wall, PG     	WSH	31	35.7	2.07	2.70	4.77	4.62
13	Andrew Bogut, C  	GS	20	25.2	-0.55	5.08	4.53	2.27
14	Klay Thompson, SG	GS	29	33.3	3.10	1.43	4.53	4.28
15	Kawhi Leonard, SF	SA	22	32.2	0.79	3.69	4.48	3.00
16	LeBron James, SF	CLE	29	37.5	3.93	0.49	4.42	4.39
17	Jimmy Butler, SG	CHI	30	40.0	4.43	-0.25	4.18	4.51
18	Gordon Hayward, SF	UTAH	32	35.3	2.81	1.33	4.14	4.17
19	Draymond Green, SF	GS	30	32.9	-0.24	4.34	4.10	4.10
20	Jared Dudley, SG	MIL	33	22.0	1.17	2.53	3.70	2.46
21	Markieff Morris, PF	PHX	34	30.5	1.25	2.28	3.53	3.51
22	Serge Ibaka, PF  	OKC	33	32.7	-0.36	3.85	3.49	3.62
23	DeAndre Jordan, C	LAC	33	34.1	0.64	2.82	3.46	3.84
24	Andre Roberson, SG	OKC	25	23.8	0.11	3.20	3.31	1.99
25	Louis Williams, SG	TOR	32	23.6	4.29	-1.04	3.25	2.37
26	Blake Griffin, PF   	LAC	33	35.5	3.57	-0.38	3.19	3.81
27	Brandan Wright, PF	DAL	32	17.4	2.85	0.32	3.17	1.89
28	Kelly Olynyk, C   	BOS	29	25.8	2.39	0.76	3.15	2.56
29	Nikola Mirotic, PF	CHI	32	18.0	0.76	2.29	3.05	1.85
 
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Dudley is a player I'd target if he didn't cost a lot.

He's a career 40% from three and currently shooting 42% this season.
 
Look who's #2, and look who's not even on the list. :devilwink:
 
Sinobas said:
Look who's #2, and look who's not even on the list. :devilwink:
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Yes, but it's still a small sample size for RPM. It really needs at least a full season.

Last year Aldridge was a very respectable 5.12 RPM
 
Sinobas said:
Look who's #2, and look who's not even on the list. :devilwink:
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I was just as surprised as you to see that Kevin Durant isn't one of the best 25 players in the NBA. So, I checked. Apparently, he's the 60th best player in the league and 5th best on his own team behind Westrook, Ibaka, Roberson and Anthony Morrow. MVP my ass. The guy's an impostor riding on the coattails of Andre Roberson and Anthony Morrow. What a fraud!

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I was just as surprised as you to see that Kevin Durant isn't one of the best 25 players in the NBA. So, I checked. Apparently, he's the 60th best player in the league and 5th best on his own team behind Westrook, Ibaka, Roberson and Anthony Morrow. MVP my ass. The guy's an impostor riding on the coattails of Andre Roberson and Anthony Morrow. What a fraud!

BNM
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I think he was referring to Luke "Chalupacabra" Babbitt
 
bobf said:
Yes, but it's still a small sample size for RPM. It really needs at least a full season.

Last year Aldridge was a very respectable 5.12 RPM
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Yeah, if we're going to use RPM to determine a player's value, let's at least use the most recent statistically relevant sample size, the 2013-14 season:

Rank: 10 LaMarcus Aldridge, PF POR 69 games 36.2 MPG 1.89 ORPM 3.23 DRPM 5.12 RPM

Rank: 127 DeMarcus Cousins, C SAC 71 games 32.4 MPG -1.10 ORPM 1.86 DRPM 0.76 RPM

We're so lucky to have the 10th best player in the entire league as our leading scorer and rebounder and not some stat padding, head case, loser, wannabe.

BNM
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I think he was referring to Luke "Chalupacabra" Babbitt
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Well, if he's going to hang his hat on RPM as the be-all-end-all stat for determining a player's value, then he has to acknowledge LaMarcus was the 10th best player in the entire NBA last season.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Well, if he's going to hang his hat on RPM as the be-all-end-all stat for determining a player's value, then he has to acknowledge LaMarcus was the 10th best player in the entire NBA last season.

BNM
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Behind Nick Collison.:clap:
 
Sinobas said:
Behind Nick Collison.:clap:
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Well honestly Sinobas, your opinions are pretty stupid. I mean you claimed Aldridge is a below average defender, yet I called you out with no response.

Aldridge has a net defensive rating of 96.7 and is 4th in the entire league in Defensive Wins shares.

So excuse us if we see you for the hater you are. Nothing you say makes any sense, clinging only to 10-15 ft jumper FG% to make Aldridge a detriment to his team.
 
We should just refer to Sinobas as "Yeah but..."

Like his response to Aldridge being the 8th best rebounder in the league and he responding "yeah but the real money is on DRB%"

It's your inability to see the positives and focusing on little things to please a case. Terrible analysis actually
 
Sinobas said:
Look who's #2, and look who's not even on the list. :devilwink:
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I figure another call out is in order...

Hey Sinobas, remember you said that Aldridge is a below average defender???? LMAO! How about a defensive rating of 96.7 to go along with this 4th best defensive win share.



Guess who else has a defensive rating of 96.7? That's right DeAndre Jordan! http://www.82games.com/1415/14LAC15.HTM



You know who has a worse defensive rating 97.4? That's right Noah!!! http://www.82games.com/1415/14CHI13.HTM



As I said, your hatred has completely blinded your logic. And the bullshit you tried to sell about his inability to help the team... Well one the court, the team is +8.7 points per 100 possessions, off the court +1.7 points per 100 possessions (A +6.9 points per 100 possession)!



And let's not forget that he scores 10.4 more points verses his opponent, the highest differential over any other Blazer on the roster. http://www.82games.com/1415/1415POR.HTM
 
leaving aside the catfight above for a second... ;)

Interesting that, regardless of the stats used/not used in the calculations, the WAR/g from that list would give you a decent subset of players that the "eye test"/"media darlings" might say are in the MVP race. Curry/Harden/Westbrook/Davis/Lowry and a "next tier" of guys like CP3/Duncan/Cousins/Wall/KlayKlay/Kawhi/LBJ. But contrary to what many Blazers fans (including here) would say, those rankings tend to show that Dame's the Blazer in the category of those Top 5, "MVP-ish" candidates while LMA and Wes are really, really good supporting players. What's the underlying basis for something that goes against what is considered the general consensus?

(BTW, how do you get a table into the post?)
 
Catfight? It's turning into an Epic Pussy Battle.

The "CODE" tag gets tables in.
 
Here's another one that "Inpredictable" just put out on Win Probability Added.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/...4-12-31&rate=tot&grp=1&sort=sksWPA&order=DESC

Code: 
1 James Harden G/F HOU 31 4.62 1.41 2.56 -0.65 7.42 -2.80 1.03 1.72 7.39 1.75 0.55 16.03 
2 Kyle Lowry PG TOR 32 2.38 1.11 0.73 -0.54 3.79 -1.41 0.44 1.47 8.29 1.52 0.12 13.78 
3 Anthony Davis F/C NOR 31 5.86 2.89 2.90 -0.07 6.64 -0.78 0.33 3.27 1.30 1.12 1.60 13.14 
4 Damian Lillard PG POR 33 3.64 1.59 1.80 -0.25 5.27 -1.62 0.41 1.27 6.82 1.11 0.20 13.04 
5 John Wall PG WAS 31 0.91 -0.97 0.91 -0.96 3.25 -2.34 -0.09 1.16 8.94 1.57 0.25 12.82 
6 Chris Paul PG LAC 31 1.06 0.99 0.09 0.02 2.73 -1.66 0.29 1.67 8.00 1.60 0.17 12.50 
7 Marc Gasol C MEM 31 3.55 0.99 2.22 -0.34 5.26 -1.71 0.23 2.55 4.08 0.74 1.06 11.98 
8 Blake Griffin F/C LAC 31 2.81 0.62 1.60 -0.59 4.51 -1.70 0.10 2.51 5.14 0.52 0.31 11.29 
9 LeBron James F CLE 29 2.62 0.89 1.47 -0.27 5.18 -2.55 0.27 1.34 6.02 0.95 0.34 11.28 
10 Mike Conley PG MEM 31 3.61 1.04 2.36 -0.21 4.85 -1.24 0.24 0.91 5.65 0.95 0.05 11.17 
11 Tim Duncan F/C SAS 29 1.73 0.05 1.10 -0.58 2.82 -1.09 -0.36 3.51 3.38 0.87 1.26 10.75 
12 Ty Lawson PG DEN 31 -0.59 -0.79 -0.12 -0.58 1.43 -2.01 0.02 0.77 9.65 0.89 0.01 10.73 
13 Eric Bledsoe G PHO 34 0.97 -0.16 0.79 -0.34 3.57 -2.60 0.48 1.59 6.34 1.30 0.45 10.66 
14 Jimmy Butler G/F CHI 29 4.62 2.03 2.50 -0.09 5.43 -0.81 1.23 1.87 2.62 1.06 0.35 10.52 
15 Stephen Curry G GSW 30 2.30 1.59 0.96 0.25 4.56 -2.26 0.32 1.21 5.24 1.38 0.09 10.22 
16 Jrue Holiday PG NOR 32 0.58 -0.21 0.26 -0.54 2.14 -1.56 0.16 1.17 6.63 1.23 0.27 9.88 
17 Monta Ellis G DAL 33 3.10 0.18 2.21 -0.71 4.97 -1.87 0.27 0.72 4.24 1.52 0.15 9.73 
18 Jeff Teague PG ATL 28 0.81 0.39 0.32 -0.10 2.56 -1.75 0.38 0.65 6.84 1.04 0.27 9.61 
19 Markieff Morris F/C PHO 34 3.12 0.56 1.98 -0.58 4.63 -1.51 0.11 1.85 2.60 1.13 0.56 9.25 
20 Danny Green G/F SAS 33 3.78 1.00 2.54 -0.23 4.86 -1.08 0.23 1.58 2.22 0.91 0.68 9.16 
21 Paul Millsap F/C ATL 31 1.58 0.40 0.62 -0.55 2.62 -1.04 -0.08 2.31 3.06 1.47 0.63 9.04 
22 Kyrie Irving G CLE 30 2.24 1.30 0.97 0.03 3.52 -1.29 0.35 0.75 4.82 1.09 0.13 9.02 
23 Pau Gasol F/C CHI 29 1.76 0.18 1.16 -0.42 2.94 -1.17 0.08 2.86 3.00 0.42 0.95 9.00 
24 Gordon Hayward G/F UTH 32 2.26 0.94 1.16 -0.16 4.20 -1.94 0.33 1.27 3.90 1.09 0.19 8.71 
25 Manu Ginobili G/F SAS 29 0.40 -0.06 0.22 -0.24 2.49 -2.09 -0.22 1.17 6.48 0.55 0.05 8.65 
26 LaMarcus Aldridge F/C POR 29 2.27 0.70 1.04 -0.53 3.49 -1.22 0.35 3.01 2.27 0.53 0.56 8.65 
27 Brandon Knight G MIL 33 1.26 0.09 0.96 -0.22 3.67 -2.41 0.62 1.28 4.80 1.19 0.09 8.62 
28 DeAndre Jordan C LAC 31 1.50 0.78 0.65 -0.07 2.20 -0.70 -0.66 4.32 0.52 0.93 1.26 8.52 
29 Kyle Korver G/F ATL 31 3.90 2.05 2.01 0.15 4.77 -0.87 0.23 1.13 2.69 0.46 0.29 8.48 
30 Tobias Harris F ORL 33 3.29 1.01 1.93 -0.35 4.54 -1.25 0.09 2.06 1.96 0.75 0.36 8.42 
31 Kemba Walker PG CHA 32 0.67 0.22 0.50 0.05 1.79 -1.13 0.29 1.34 4.72 1.26 0.32 8.31 
32 DeMarcus Cousins F/C SAC 21 2.29 0.46 1.39 -0.45 3.86 -1.57 0.48 2.66 2.04 0.38 0.60 7.97 
33 Al Horford F/C ATL 30 1.97 0.81 1.15 -0.01 2.84 -0.87 0.02 1.78 2.99 0.53 0.64 7.92 
34 Draymond Green SF GSW 30 0.58 0.11 0.21 -0.26 1.56 -0.98 0.06 1.88 3.14 1.43 0.83 7.86 
35 Nikola Vucevic F/C ORL 29 1.23 0.51 0.51 -0.21 2.36 -1.13 0.17 3.13 2.38 0.50 0.54 7.78 
36 Tyson Chandler C DAL 32 1.66 1.33 0.55 0.22 2.42 -0.77 -0.13 3.81 0.87 0.43 0.91 7.68 
37 Dirk Nowitzki F/C DAL 31 2.87 1.59 1.37 0.09 3.56 -0.69 0.51 1.41 2.71 0.41 0.22 7.62 
38 Darren Collison PG SAC 29 0.80 0.24 0.30 -0.26 2.36 -1.56 -0.07 0.80 4.69 1.17 0.13 7.60 
39 Wesley Matthews G/F POR 33 2.97 2.05 0.74 -0.19 3.94 -0.97 -0.02 1.05 2.49 0.86 0.05 7.42 
40 Courtney Lee G/F MEM 28 2.33 0.89 1.42 -0.02 2.94 -0.61 0.10 0.66 3.41 0.93 0.07 7.41
 
BrianFromWA said:
leaving aside the catfight above for a second... ;)

Interesting that, regardless of the stats used/not used in the calculations, the WAR/g from that list would give you a decent subset of players that the "eye test"/"media darlings" might say are in the MVP race. Curry/Harden/Westbrook/Davis/Lowry and a "next tier" of guys like CP3/Duncan/Cousins/Wall/KlayKlay/Kawhi/LBJ. But contrary to what many Blazers fans (including here) would say, those rankings tend to show that Dame's the Blazer in the category of those Top 5, "MVP-ish" candidates while LMA and Wes are really, really good supporting players. What's the underlying basis for something that goes against what is considered the general consensus?

(BTW, how do you get a table into the post?)
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You would hear no complaints by a general discussion by me. I'm just tired of the shitty tripe of Sinobas.

You don't care for Aldridge, but at least you bring a decent argument. But saying he hurts the team is absolutely absurd don't you agree?
 
magnifier661 said:
You would hear no complaints by a general discussion by me. I'm just tired of the shitty tripe of Sinobas.

You don't care for Aldridge, but at least you bring a decent argument. But saying he hurts the team is absolutely absurd don't you agree?
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I don't think he hurts the team overall. And I love having LMA. Especially games where he keeps it in the ~50/50 ratio of long J's to in-the-paint and plays tough D.
 
Is Kelly Olynk ahead of LaMarcus Aldridge?
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't think he hurts the team overall. And I love having LMA. Especially games where he keeps it in the ~50/50 ratio of long J's to in-the-paint and plays tough D.
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I actually agree. Maybe 60/40 actually with 60% outside and 40% inside
 
BrianFromWA said:
But contrary to what many Blazers fans (including here) would say, those rankings tend to show that Dame's the Blazer in the category of those Top 5, "MVP-ish" candidates while LMA and Wes are really, really good supporting players. What's the underlying basis for something that goes against what is considered the general consensus?
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Truth?

Lillard is the team's engine, while Aldridge is the suspension and brakes. LMA smooths everything out and keeps it on course, but it's Lillard who is the driving force. You can always upgrade suspension components, but engine overhauls are expensive and hard to come by.
 
handiman said:
Truth?

Lillard is the team's engine, while Aldridge is the suspension and brakes. LMA smooths everything out and keeps it on course, but it's Lillard who is the driving force. You can always upgrade suspension components, but engine overhauls are expensive and hard to come by.
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I can concede to Aldridge being the suspension and brakes. He's definitely setting the tone of the entire game, while Lillard wins the game most the time
 
handiman said:
Truth?

Lillard is the team's engine, while Aldridge is the suspension and brakes. LMA smooths everything out and keeps it on course, but it's Lillard who is the driving force. You can always upgrade suspension components, but engine overhauls are expensive and hard to come by.
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Ooh, as someone who spent an awful lot of time on road race courses - the real magic is almost always in the suspension - and being able to put that power to good use easily. Now, for drag races - power is king, but for drag races you do not really care that much about the suspension (stiff and level) and there is a 'chute to slow you down, but for road racing, suspension is pretty much where you win and lose the race on 90% of the events.

Not that I do not love me some Dame. I think that a lot of what we see nowadays is that LMA is a much more vocal leader and demonstrative player, He wants it bad and plays hard all the time - where for Dame it came naturally (as it did for Roy).

I am really not going over who is more important or what have you, but I do know racing - and in most formulas, suspension is really really important and quite often much harder to get right.
 
I wrote a post last season describing how I thought LMA wasn't a given for being the team MVP, (cuz Lillard), and got some pretty unfavorable reviews. What's changed in ~50 games? The stats are roughly the same. The team success is roughly the same. The personnel are roughly the same...is it just that people who have liked LMA for years (nothing wrong with that) didn't want to see an upstart take his place so soon, and now it's ok to think about?
 
You guy's stats are all obviously stupid because they ignore the great Kobe, who is going to be an allstar this year, fools! The only stat that matters is career points scored!

BrianFromWA said:
Here's another one that "Inpredictable" just put out on Win Probability Added.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/...4-12-31&rate=tot&grp=1&sort=sksWPA&order=DESC

Code: 
1 James Harden G/F HOU 31 4.62 1.41 2.56 -0.65 7.42 -2.80 1.03 1.72 7.39 1.75 0.55 16.03
2 Kyle Lowry PG TOR 32 2.38 1.11 0.73 -0.54 3.79 -1.41 0.44 1.47 8.29 1.52 0.12 13.78
3 Anthony Davis F/C NOR 31 5.86 2.89 2.90 -0.07 6.64 -0.78 0.33 3.27 1.30 1.12 1.60 13.14
4 Damian Lillard PG POR 33 3.64 1.59 1.80 -0.25 5.27 -1.62 0.41 1.27 6.82 1.11 0.20 13.04
5 John Wall PG WAS 31 0.91 -0.97 0.91 -0.96 3.25 -2.34 -0.09 1.16 8.94 1.57 0.25 12.82
6 Chris Paul PG LAC 31 1.06 0.99 0.09 0.02 2.73 -1.66 0.29 1.67 8.00 1.60 0.17 12.50
7 Marc Gasol C MEM 31 3.55 0.99 2.22 -0.34 5.26 -1.71 0.23 2.55 4.08 0.74 1.06 11.98
8 Blake Griffin F/C LAC 31 2.81 0.62 1.60 -0.59 4.51 -1.70 0.10 2.51 5.14 0.52 0.31 11.29
9 LeBron James F CLE 29 2.62 0.89 1.47 -0.27 5.18 -2.55 0.27 1.34 6.02 0.95 0.34 11.28
10 Mike Conley PG MEM 31 3.61 1.04 2.36 -0.21 4.85 -1.24 0.24 0.91 5.65 0.95 0.05 11.17
11 Tim Duncan F/C SAS 29 1.73 0.05 1.10 -0.58 2.82 -1.09 -0.36 3.51 3.38 0.87 1.26 10.75
12 Ty Lawson PG DEN 31 -0.59 -0.79 -0.12 -0.58 1.43 -2.01 0.02 0.77 9.65 0.89 0.01 10.73
13 Eric Bledsoe G PHO 34 0.97 -0.16 0.79 -0.34 3.57 -2.60 0.48 1.59 6.34 1.30 0.45 10.66
14 Jimmy Butler G/F CHI 29 4.62 2.03 2.50 -0.09 5.43 -0.81 1.23 1.87 2.62 1.06 0.35 10.52
15 Stephen Curry G GSW 30 2.30 1.59 0.96 0.25 4.56 -2.26 0.32 1.21 5.24 1.38 0.09 10.22
16 Jrue Holiday PG NOR 32 0.58 -0.21 0.26 -0.54 2.14 -1.56 0.16 1.17 6.63 1.23 0.27 9.88
17 Monta Ellis G DAL 33 3.10 0.18 2.21 -0.71 4.97 -1.87 0.27 0.72 4.24 1.52 0.15 9.73
18 Jeff Teague PG ATL 28 0.81 0.39 0.32 -0.10 2.56 -1.75 0.38 0.65 6.84 1.04 0.27 9.61
19 Markieff Morris F/C PHO 34 3.12 0.56 1.98 -0.58 4.63 -1.51 0.11 1.85 2.60 1.13 0.56 9.25
20 Danny Green G/F SAS 33 3.78 1.00 2.54 -0.23 4.86 -1.08 0.23 1.58 2.22 0.91 0.68 9.16
21 Paul Millsap F/C ATL 31 1.58 0.40 0.62 -0.55 2.62 -1.04 -0.08 2.31 3.06 1.47 0.63 9.04
22 Kyrie Irving G CLE 30 2.24 1.30 0.97 0.03 3.52 -1.29 0.35 0.75 4.82 1.09 0.13 9.02
23 Pau Gasol F/C CHI 29 1.76 0.18 1.16 -0.42 2.94 -1.17 0.08 2.86 3.00 0.42 0.95 9.00
24 Gordon Hayward G/F UTH 32 2.26 0.94 1.16 -0.16 4.20 -1.94 0.33 1.27 3.90 1.09 0.19 8.71
25 Manu Ginobili G/F SAS 29 0.40 -0.06 0.22 -0.24 2.49 -2.09 -0.22 1.17 6.48 0.55 0.05 8.65
26 LaMarcus Aldridge F/C POR 29 2.27 0.70 1.04 -0.53 3.49 -1.22 0.35 3.01 2.27 0.53 0.56 8.65
27 Brandon Knight G MIL 33 1.26 0.09 0.96 -0.22 3.67 -2.41 0.62 1.28 4.80 1.19 0.09 8.62
28 DeAndre Jordan C LAC 31 1.50 0.78 0.65 -0.07 2.20 -0.70 -0.66 4.32 0.52 0.93 1.26 8.52
29 Kyle Korver G/F ATL 31 3.90 2.05 2.01 0.15 4.77 -0.87 0.23 1.13 2.69 0.46 0.29 8.48
30 Tobias Harris F ORL 33 3.29 1.01 1.93 -0.35 4.54 -1.25 0.09 2.06 1.96 0.75 0.36 8.42
31 Kemba Walker PG CHA 32 0.67 0.22 0.50 0.05 1.79 -1.13 0.29 1.34 4.72 1.26 0.32 8.31
32 DeMarcus Cousins F/C SAC 21 2.29 0.46 1.39 -0.45 3.86 -1.57 0.48 2.66 2.04 0.38 0.60 7.97
33 Al Horford F/C ATL 30 1.97 0.81 1.15 -0.01 2.84 -0.87 0.02 1.78 2.99 0.53 0.64 7.92
34 Draymond Green SF GSW 30 0.58 0.11 0.21 -0.26 1.56 -0.98 0.06 1.88 3.14 1.43 0.83 7.86
35 Nikola Vucevic F/C ORL 29 1.23 0.51 0.51 -0.21 2.36 -1.13 0.17 3.13 2.38 0.50 0.54 7.78
36 Tyson Chandler C DAL 32 1.66 1.33 0.55 0.22 2.42 -0.77 -0.13 3.81 0.87 0.43 0.91 7.68
37 Dirk Nowitzki F/C DAL 31 2.87 1.59 1.37 0.09 3.56 -0.69 0.51 1.41 2.71 0.41 0.22 7.62
38 Darren Collison PG SAC 29 0.80 0.24 0.30 -0.26 2.36 -1.56 -0.07 0.80 4.69 1.17 0.13 7.60
39 Wesley Matthews G/F POR 33 2.97 2.05 0.74 -0.19 3.94 -0.97 -0.02 1.05 2.49 0.86 0.05 7.42
40 Courtney Lee G/F MEM 28 2.33 0.89 1.42 -0.02 2.94 -0.61 0.10 0.66 3.41 0.93 0.07 7.41
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and "Oldest to get a triple-dub with 30 points." Can't forget that one.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I wrote a post last season describing how I thought LMA wasn't a given for being the team MVP, (cuz Lillard), and got some pretty unfavorable reviews. What's changed in ~50 games? The stats are roughly the same. The team success is roughly the same. The personnel are roughly the same...is it just that people who have liked LMA for years (nothing wrong with that) didn't want to see an upstart take his place so soon, and now it's ok to think about?
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Aldridge is still the best player on this team. I don't think we go anywhere without him in the line-up. Dame and Aldridge are basically 1a and 1b. Both are required for success
 
BrianFromWA said:
I wrote a post last season describing how I thought LMA wasn't a given for being the team MVP, (cuz Lillard), and got some pretty unfavorable reviews. What's changed in ~50 games? The stats are roughly the same. The team success is roughly the same. The personnel are roughly the same...is it just that people who have liked LMA for years (nothing wrong with that) didn't want to see an upstart take his place so soon, and now it's ok to think about?
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Aldridge's stats are about the same but Lillard's are not. His PER is up almost 5 points from last year and defense is visibly much improved. RPM has his defense up a whopping 3 points per 100 possessions.

IMO Lillard is the best player on the team and maybe the second best PG in the NBA behind Curry. He is closing in on Curry too. Given his age, basketball IQ, clutchness, and facilitator of team chemistry, I wouldn't trade him for any other PG in the NBA.
 
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