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I don't see her coming out of the email scandal with support from most democrats. It is just the latest of many scandals during her and her husband's careers. It's hard to justify defying the law as she did and does in defending herself.

The Clinton Global Initiative is also getting heat from taking foreign donations, appearance of quid pro quo in many cases, and the donors are of questionable character.
 
Ron Fournier (formerly a long time writer for AP) of the National Journal links the two scandals together.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/twen...-play-whispers-at-clinton-foundation-20150308

Emails May Be a Key to Addressing 'Pay-to-Play' Whispers at Clinton Foundation
There are not two Clinton controversies. There is one big, hairy deal.

March 8, 2015 "Follow the money." That apocryphal phrase, attributed to Watergate whistle-blower "Deep Throat," explains why the biggest threat to Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential dreams is not her emails. It's her family foundation. That's where the money is: corporate money, foreign money, gobs of money sloshing around a vanity charity that could be renamed "Clinton Conflicts of Interest Foundation."

What about the emails? Hillary Clinton's secret communications cache is a bombshell deserving of full disclosure because of her assault on government transparency and electronic security. But its greatest relevancy is what the emails might reveal about any nexus between Clinton's work at State and donations to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation from U.S. corporations and foreign nations.

Under fire, Bill Clinton said his namesake charity has "done a lot more good than harm"—hardly a ringing endorsement. One of his longest-serving advisers, a person who had worked directly for the foundation, told me the "longtime whispers of pay-to-play are going to become shouts."

This person, a Clinton loyalist and credible source, has no evidence of wrongdoing but said the media's suspicions are warranted. "The emails are a related but secondary scandal," the source said. "Follow the foundation money."
 
Like she did against Obama.
 
I would love for someone who isn't so deeply entrenched as a Clinton or a Bush win. I haven't been following the email scandals closely, but regardless I'm someone who generally votes Democrat and isn't thrilled with Hillary as the top choice. I would likely vote for her over most Republicans based solely on the issues, but I'm hopeful that there will be a legitimate third party option that breaks us out of the stale routine we've been in for ages. If the Republicans go for a super right whackjob like a Santorum and the Democrats go with Hillary and all her baggage, I think the situation will be ripe for a more common sense middle ground third party, or Libritarian leaning candidate to emerge. And even though I'm not a Libertarian or might not agree on a lot of issues, I'd have to give a lot of credit to the idea that a real shakeup could help this country in the long run.
 
I think she'll be explaining away her history of scandals, going back to cattlegate, rose law firm billing records, etc., and not talking about policy.

I really don't think she was a good Secy of State or senator, really. I don't know what people see in her.

The email thing is she had a private email server she used as secy. of state. She kept her transactions hidden from Obama and his staff. She's dodging FOIA, too. And she's deleting those emails, which belong in the public record/archives.

Turns out Bill got paid $50,000 a month from just one of his consulting gigs with his charity's vendors as a way to bilk it for cash.
 
I think Santorum is a fringe candidate. He's not getting the VP nod.
 
Not defending her because I don't like her but if I was in her position I would have done the exact same thing. Remember the fool at IRS whose computer broke so he "lost" all of his emails?
 
I've wanted Hillary to be President since 2004. I've waited a long fucking time (I gave a lot of money in 2008 and was very upset she lost) and am glad she'll finally get there. She'll survive this "scandal."
 
An email "scandal"? (shudder)

C'mon now, really? That's what you're hanging your hat on?
 
Not defending her because I don't like her but if I was in her position I would have done the exact same thing. Remember the fool at IRS whose computer broke so he "lost" all of his emails?

A number of people at the IRS mysteriously had their email disappear.
 
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-11-02-02-28

FACT CHECK: CLINTON AND HER EMAILS

BY JACK GILLUM AND STEPHEN BRAUN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) -- How Hillary Rodham Clinton's statements about her exclusive use of private email instead of a government account as secretary of state compare with the known facts:

CLINTON: "Others had done it."

THE FACTS: Although email practices varied among her predecessors, Clinton is the only secretary of state known to have conducted all official unclassified government business on a private email address. Years earlier, when emailing was not the ubiquitous practice it is now among high officials, Colin Powell used both a government and a private account. It's a striking departure from the norm for top officials to rely exclusively on private email for official business.

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CLINTON: "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."

THE FACTS: At the very least, Clinton appears to have violated what the White House has called "very specific guidance" that officials should use government email to conduct business.

Clinton provided no details about whether she had initially consulted with the department or other government officials before using the private email system. She did not answer several questions about whether she sought any clearances before she began relying exclusively on private emails for government business.

Federal officials are allowed to communicate on private email and are generally allowed to conduct government business in those exchanges, but that ability is constrained, both by federal regulations and by their supervisors.

Federal law during Clinton's tenure called for the archiving of such private email records when used for government work, but did not set out clear rules or punishments for violations until rules were tightened in November. In 2011, when Clinton was secretary, a cable from her office sent to all employees advised them to avoid conducting any official business on their private email accounts because of targeting by unspecified "online adversaries."

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CLINTON: "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."

THE FACTS: The assertion fits with the facts as known but skirts the issue of exchanging information in a private account that, while falling below the level of classified, is still sensitive.

The State Department and other national security agencies have specified rules for the handling of such sensitive material, which could affect national security, diplomatic and privacy concerns, and may include material such as personnel, medical and law enforcement data. In reviewing the 30,000 emails she turned over to the State Department, officials are looking for any security lapses concerning sensitive but unclassified material that may have been disclosed.

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CLINTON: "It had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches."

THE FACTS: While Clinton's server was physically guarded by the Secret Service, she provided no evidence it hadn't been compromised by hackers or foreign adversaries. She also didn't detail who administered the email system, if it received appropriate software security updates, or if it was monitored routinely for unauthorized access.

Clinton also didn't answer whether the homebrew computer system on her property had the same level of safeguards provided at professional data facilities, such as regulated temperatures, offsite backups, generators in case of power outages and fire-suppression systems. It was unclear what, if any, encryption software Clinton's server may have used to communicate with U.S. government email accounts.

Recent high-profile breaches, including at Sony Pictures Entertainment, have raised scrutiny on how well corporations and private individuals protect their computer networks from attack.

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CLINTON: "When I got to work as secretary of state, I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two. Looking back, it would've been better if I'd simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue."

THE FACTS: If multiple devices were an inconvenience in the past, they may be something of an obsession now. Clinton told an event in California's Silicon Valley last month that she has an iPad, a mini-iPad, an iPhone and a BlackBerry. "I'm like two steps short of a hoarder," she said. She suggested she started out in Washington with a BlackBerry but her devices grew in number.

Smartphones were capable of multiple emails when she became secretary; it's not clear whether the particular phone she used then was permitted to do so under State Department rules.
 
I'm not so sure about Rand Paul. he's not his father.
 
An email "scandal"? (shudder)
C'mon now, really? That's what you're hanging your hat on?

Exactly. But the Republicans own the mass media, so they play up or play down what they want burned into our memories. Here's a scandal they're playing down right now, hoping we won't notice...the assassination of a Republican by other Republicans.

On Thursday, minutes after setting up a meeting with reporters from The Associated Press and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Missouri Auditor Tom Schweich fatally shot himself in what police are calling an "apparent suicide." Schweich, 54, had recently announced his campaign for the Republican Party's gubernatorial nomination, and he told the AP reporter that he planned to go public Thursday afternoon with allegations that the chairman of the Missouri Republican Party had started an anti-Semitic "whisper campaign" to sink his campaign.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/54154...e-after-alleging-antisemitic-whisper-campaign

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/missouri-auditor-dies-apparent-suicide-police-29264707
 
fabricated scandals and premature declarations of 'so and so is done' because of said fabricated scandals make for entertaining times.
 
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/235286-clinton-fails-to-calm-email-storm

Clinton fails to calm email storm

The political storm over Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email account intensified Tuesday as she revealed that more than 30,000 “personal” messages have been erased from the server in her home.

Holding her first press conference in nearly two years, the likely presidential candidate defended the account, saying it was chosen only for the “convenience” of not having to use two personal devices while serving as secretary of State.

“Looking back, it would’ve been better if I’d simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn’t seem like an issue,” she said.

Clinton two weeks ago said she now uses both an iPhone and a Blackberry.

She insisted that she followed all federal rules and regulations, and said every email message related to official business was preserved and turned over to the government.

“I have absolute confidence that everything that could be in any way connected to work is now in the possession of the State Department.”

According to a nine-page document provided by Clinton aides, the personal account once contained 62,320 emails that were sent and received between March 2009 and February 2013, when she left President Obama’s Cabinet.

Of those emails, Clinton’s team determined that 30,490 were work-related, in part by searching for the names of top officials and for emails ending in “.gov.” Those records were provided to the State Department two months ago; the other 31,830 were apparently deleted.

“Secretary Clinton chose not to keep her private, personal emails that were not federal records,” the document states.

Clinton defended the process as thorough and fair, and suggested that she has the same right to privacy as everyone else.
 
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Unless it is smoking gun linked to something, this scandal wont mean much of anything.

Haters will still hate, lovers will still love, and most everyone else isn't paying much attention.
 
Unless it is smoking gun linked to something, this scandal wont mean much of anything.

Haters will still hate, lovers will still love, and most everyone else isn't paying much attention.

Were it not for the SNL opener this weekend and this thread, I would be blissfully unaware of this "scandal". As it is, I just don't care.
 
Binders of women. Huge campaign issue. More important than Benghazi which happened at the same time.

:crazy:
 
Were it not for the SNL opener this weekend and this thread, I would be blissfully unaware of this "scandal". As it is, I just don't care.

Im almost there myself. At this point I just consider all of these "scandals" to be republican background noise and if anything serious comes up it will be obvious. Both sides are in full attack and discredit mode right now so there is a lot of mud slinging. Further summed up my position on Hilary, she's probably (definitely) better than anything the republicans can come up, but she is not my first choice.
 
I don't think it's republicans behind this. The left wing media isn't exactly brushing this off.

CNN, for example:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/donors-hillary-clinton-emails/index.html

Hillary Clinton donors frustrated by email controversy

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But one well-connected private sector observer based in New York said some donors are "very worried" about just how long the email scandal will haunt Clinton.

"It is a huge distraction and will take a long time to resolve," the person said. The main concern among top allies, they added, is that the issue "will be unresolved story for months."

and

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/06/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-was-there-wrongdoing/index.html

So it looks like there's no smoking gun. But her decision to use a personal email account stored on her own private server raises questions, at best, especially when you're (likely) running for president. Anything else?

There's also a tinge of hypocrisy in the air.

During Clinton's personal-email-using, private-server-having tenure, U.S. Ambassador to Kenya Scott Gration was criticized and ultimately pushed out of his post in part for using a personal email address "for official government business, including Sensitive But Unclassified information."

Again, there's no evidence Clinton included "sensitive but unclassified information" in her emails, but a State Department investigation skewed the ambassador in question for using his personal email at all in his official capacity. (He also used an official government email.)

The 2012 Inspector General's report, which was released shortly after Gration resigned his post as the ambassador in Kenya, wrote that the use of personal email was against policy "except in emergencies" and repeatedly slams him for using "commercial email for official government business."

All the while, Clinton was exclusively using her personal email.

There's just one more tidbit revealed in a 2011 internal, unclassified, diplomatic cable from Clinton's office -- though there's no evidence she personally reviewed the cable. It gives the department's employees guidance on "securing personal e-mail accounts," Fox News reported.

One of the guidelines?

"Avoid conducting official Department business from your personal e-mail account."
 
Sean Trende, the polling analyst for RealClearPolitics:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/03/11/why_clintons_emails_matter_125899.html

But one only need watch the press conference from Tuesday to see the real cause for concern. It isn’t just that Clinton looked tired, was flat-footed in her responses, and made some cringe-worthy comments about not wanting to have two email accounts to follow. To be sure, it was difficult to watch—almost as bad as that 2007 debate.

The seasoned politician and former Cabinet member had several days to formulate a response to “email-gate.” But her answer was that she had combined her personal and official emails onto a private server for “convenience.” And, she added, she would not turn over that server for inspection.

The press just wasn’t buying it. To run the sort of larger-than-life campaign that Clinton seems to want to run, she has to fit the larger-than-life bill. The reason Barack Obama was treated like LeBron is that he sort of was LeBron. His campaign racked up only a handful of mistakes. He always seemed to pull things out when he needed to. He hit the three-pointers when it mattered. This created a virtuous cycle: He did amazing things, and the press treated him as such. If Obama had had as many problems as Clinton has, and had responded in the same way, his campaign would have gone nowhere.

If you followed Twitter on Tuesday, it is safe to say that Clinton will not be getting the sort of treatmentshe needs to run a celebrity campaign just by virtue of being Clinton. TMZ and Gawker, which are generally thought of as having a liberal tilt, helped break the story. "SNL" lit into her in a way that it arguably still hasn’t for Obama. Again, I don’t think this is because these outlets are inherently pro-Obama. He just played a role almost flawlessly, and reaps the benefits from time to time.

She will have to earn favorable coverage, and she isn’t doing it so far. If it keeps up, not only will she not have an advantage in how the “intangibles” stack up, she might have a disadvantage that pushes her below what the fundamentals suggest.
 
The main concern among top allies, they added, is that the issue "will be unresolved story for months."

Sounds like Vladimir Putin is voicing these concerns. :devilwink:
 
2 million dead in Iraq, $3 trillion war debt, our rights to privacy and habeas corpus thrown down the drain, a giant tax cut for the rich, the biggest depression since the 1930s, then Democratic presidents are overwhelmingly elected (not just barely, as in 2000) and it's time for...teensy weensy little Clinton scandals to dominate the media, like Benghazi.
 

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