OT Honeymoon over with Barton in Denver?

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So one of the trades that people like to bring up as a negative against Olshey is the Afflalo trade, largely in part of how Barton was playing in Denver.

I have noticed recently that the bloom has fallen off the rose.



This is just one example of Denver fans hating on Will. So does it comfort you at all to know that TRob has changed teams from here, to Denver, to Philly, to Brooklyn, and now with LA, and Barton is falling out of favor in Denver?

The trade seems like kind of a wash at this point. The gamble with Afflalo didn't work out, but the guys we traded haven't really set the world on fire either.
 
Barton is a classic journeyman type of player. I can see him moving around with different teams a lot in the future.
 
Barton was never really good, he just got more minutes in Denver. I mean I guess he's better than he was in Portland, but most (MOST) players improve over time.
 
The only guy we'll regret not having is Malik Beasley. I think he'll be a good player.

He's stuck behind some good players though, so maybe Neil should just trade for him anyway lol
 
Barton was a ton of fun to watch, half the time. He plays so out of control and is a reckless bottle of energy. Sometimes that energy works out and he looks great and his unorthdox style just messes with opponents, other times he is a turnover machine that can't make a play to save his life and is just frustrating to watch.
 
But everyone was so unhappy because they felt like that trade was a huge bust for Neil....... and now it really doesn't look that bad.
 
Scalma said:
I mean I guess he's better than he was in Portland, but most (MOST) players improve over time.
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Correct. Now that Denver developed him instead of us doing so, Denver will get a 1st round pick for him, while we had to pay a 1st round pick to get rid of him. The net cost to us for not developing him? 2 1st round picks.
 
Love Barton's energy but he's streaky...sometimes it dazzles, other times it doesn't. Problem with Will is his frame and the fact that he's probably reached his ceiling...as someone mentioned he'll be an NBA role player if he stays healthy..he looked great in Plumlees first game and terrible the next game.
 
jlprk said:
Correct. Now that Denver developed him instead of us doing so, Denver will get a 1st round pick for him, while we had to pay a 1st round pick to get rid of him. The net cost to us for not developing him? 2 1st round picks.
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you forgot to mention a rental that broke down a couple of miles off the lot
 
You don't use hindsight when you analyze? Interesting method. Even if Olshey had not overestimated his own ability to resign Afflalo, it would have been a bad trade, because Afflalo, as both his earlier (no hindsight required) and subsequent (either GM expertise or our amateur hindsight needed) years have shown, isn't that good.

Oops, I used hindsight again. Olshey's job is to evaluate players. As you say, he shouldn't be expected to prognosticate the future.
 
The few posters who keep bringing this trade up as bad, and boy has it been brought up a lot the last few months, will just find another angle to hate the trade now that Barton isnt playing well.
 
Ahh, the claim to be in the majority. Quite the opposite. Since Afflalo dumped us as soon as he could get out of town, I've seen a lot more posts against that trade than for it.

If the number of posts represented truth well, then there would have been several threads by now about how badly Afflalo has done, similar to this one thread about how Barton has finally fallen off lately.

Not that a vote would determine who's right. Logic would. One piece of logic would be to compare what Barton did after the trade, to what Afflalo did.
 
jlprk said:
You don't use hindsight when you analyze? Interesting method. Even if Olshey had not overestimated his own ability to resign Afflalo, it would have been a bad trade, because Afflalo, as both his earlier (no hindsight required) and subsequent (either GM expertise or our amateur hindsight needed) years have shown, isn't that good.

Oops, I used hindsight again. Olshey's job is to evaluate players. As you say, he shouldn't be expected to prognosticate the future.
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People casually forget how good the Blazers (including Afflalo) were playing when Matthews went down. I believe the team was undefeated from the time they acquired Afflalo to the time Matthews got injured. It was short lived, but I remember that Dallas game specifically, and telling myself, "we look like contenders."
 
He fills it up in multiple categories for my fantasy team. Probably better fantasy player than real player. They shouldn't be very unhappy with him right now though because they got him on an absolutely steal of a contract. Now next contract he signs that is when he will need to be more consistent or face criticism.
 
I remember that video he(afflalo) posted on his instagram where he was like "DL, WM, NB, LA, RL we gonna get a championship" or something. We all had to hold on from making a mess in our pants from that.

It was the right deal to make at the time.
 
Some of these posts in here are full of shit. I would MUCH rather have Will Barton right now than Allen Crabbe.. At least he can get his own shot.
 
dviss1 said:
Some of these posts in here are full of shit. I would MUCH rather have Will Barton right now than Allen Crabbe.. At least he can get his own shot.
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Well if you bring AC into the swap, I don't think anyone would argue...Will never disappears on the court...AC does for stretches.
 
dviss1 said:
Some of these posts in here are full of shit. I would MUCH rather have Will Barton right now than Allen Crabbe.. At least he can get his own shot.
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You would rather have a player who is shooting significantly better then he has his entire career from 3 but is still shooting significantly worse then Crabbe at it, also shoots worse from 2. Has to have the ball in his hands, and isn't any better of a defender then Crabbe is, does avg a rebound and 2 assists more with only 1 more turnover then Crabbe though. Barton does get to the line more because he attacks the basket a LOT more then Crabbe does.
contract for contract i'd rather have Barton. Take the contracts out and just look at the players and Crabbe fits what we want to do, especially when turner is healthy, so much better then what Barton does. Crabbe doesn't have to have the ball in his hands, something that Barton has to, which is great since we have 3 guards who all want the ball in there hands. Crabbe is an elite shooter from 3, Barton even shooting a career high by a lot from 3 isn't in the same league as Crabbe from 3.
 
Rhal said:
You would rather have a player who is shooting significantly better then he has his entire career from 3 but is still shooting significantly worse then Crabbe at it, also shoots worse from 2. Has to have the ball in his hands, and isn't any better of a defender then Crabbe is, does avg a rebound and 2 assists more with only 1 more turnover then Crabbe though. Barton does get to the line more because he attacks the basket a LOT more then Crabbe does.
contract for contract i'd rather have Barton. Take the contracts out and just look at the players and Crabbe fits what we want to do, especially when turner is healthy, so much better then what Barton does. Crabbe doesn't have to have the ball in his hands, something that Barton has to, which is great since we have 3 guards who all want the ball in there hands. Crabbe is an elite shooter from 3, Barton even shooting a career high by a lot from 3 isn't in the same league as Crabbe from 3.
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I don't care what Allen Crabbe's shooting percentage is.

He can't do one other thing well.

He can't defend on or off the ball.
He can't drive the lane.
He can't box out and get a rebound.
He can't run the floor.
He can't take someone off the dribble.
He can't consistently do a one dribble pull up.
He can't close out on the shooter.
He can't do any offensive moves...

Crabbe is hot garbage.
 
Not to mention Barton is an above-average ball handler. You can't have too many ball-handlers and people that can create their own shots as well as shots for others.
 
A couple critical fans online and Barton is a bust? I guess Lillard is a bust too? It was a horrible trade and Barton is a very good player. Definitely better than Crabbe.
 
Barton is a good guy and a Cinderella story that's easy to root for. I'm glad he found success, at least temporarily, in DEN.

But, in DEN , as in POR, he finds himself the odd man out. Gary Harris is already better and their SG of the present. Jamal Murray is their SG of the future. Barton is 4 years older than Harris and 7 years older than Murray.

DEN kept him around this year, because they didn't know if the 19-year old Murray would be ready to play significant minutes. They have been gradually increasing Murray's minutes. He's averaging 22 MPG over the past month and that will only continue to increase. Next season, Harris and Murray will be getting all the minutes at SG.

The good news is Barton is on a very movable contract (a full season left at $3.5 million). So, he should be easy to move. Will he fetch a 1st round pick? Not in this draft. Maybe something like a top 20 protected pick in 2019, but even that might be a stretch.

BNM
 
KingSpeed said:
A couple critical fans online and Barton is a bust? I guess Lillard is a bust too? It was a horrible trade and Barton is a very good player. Definitely better than Crabbe.
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I don't think anyone calls Will a bust...he's going to have an NBA career...he is streaky but so was Mo Williams
 
Barton has ability to handle the ball, and operate in traffic (a skill our team is sorely lacking - and was still/even back at the time of the trade).
He's the anti-Aminu of ball-handling, breakdown & breakin' that our team needs a few more of, and we wish Crabbe could be.
He can rebound, pass and even defend decently. All things that mister $18 Million cannot do.

I've long been sour on the Afflalo trade, however, I believe Neil has evened the playing field by acquiring the first round pick, in addition to Beast, in the Plumlee deal.
So IMO, at the moment, it's a wash - but as Nurkic improves we have the potential to come out far ahead. :blazerwookie:
 
Mason will be 27 in a couple of weeks...when Nurk is 27 Mason will be 32....I think we did good going into the next 4 years
 
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