OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by ABM, Jun 29, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    44,412
    Likes Received:
    32,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Vagabond
    Location:
    Water Valley, Alberta Ca
    Why bother, he's phony.
     
    SlyPokerCat, Phatguysrule and RR7 like this.
  2. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2008
    Messages:
    28,007
    Likes Received:
    5,012
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    retired Yankee
    Location:
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    In an effort to appease the usual trolls (see above posts), I have spent some time updating myself on the "woke world of self-victimization"'s current as of 05/28/2022 but constantly morphing and mutating view of why everyone is evil and life is unbearable.

    These are the sources I sought out today, and ironically, reading them in full clearly documents how the field of psychiatry acknowledges their opinions and diagnosis attempt to avoid reality when it may offend the patient seeking help.

    Psychiatry.org - Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis
    Psychiatry.org - Definitions of Gender, Sex, and Sexual Orientation and Pronoun Usage
    Psychiatry.org - Search Results

    I have edited my post accordingly.

    I have bolded the rewritten parts.
     
  3. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    44,412
    Likes Received:
    32,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Vagabond
    Location:
    Water Valley, Alberta Ca
    Hold on, @SlyPokerDog I didn't call anyone an angry bigot, I just stated a fact.

    Angry bigots don't like being called angry bigots.
     
  4. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    21,500
    Likes Received:
    27,672
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have little to add to what others have said, except that in the past Maris has said that most claims of rape are made up. Apparently only when the victim is pure enough for him, white by definition, and assailant Black or Latino, preferably immigrant, or these mythical bands of trans women assaulting girls I'm restrooms does he consider it not the invention of hysterical female.
    Bad sentence structure, sorry.
     
    Flipper likes this.
  5. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    44,412
    Likes Received:
    32,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Vagabond
    Location:
    Water Valley, Alberta Ca
    In defense of the people who make such claims, it's hard to put a link to ones own ass and have it legible.
     
  6. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,589
    Likes Received:
    58,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    One can take a picture, it will last longer
     
  7. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    44,412
    Likes Received:
    32,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Vagabond
    Location:
    Water Valley, Alberta Ca
    No one wants to see pictures of a bunch of fat ass drunken Hill billy bare asses online.
     
  8. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,589
    Likes Received:
    58,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again, wrong.

    Transgender and Gender Dysphoria are not the same thing. You continue to conflate them. Gender Dysphoria is the feeling some transgender people, not all, get when their birth gender does not match with their actual gender.

    Transgender people are not mentally ill. Again, stop conflating.

    Delusion accompanies a very small number of cases of Gender Dysphoria where schizophrenia is also present. Again, this is a small number of cases. The great majority of cases of Gender Dysphoria do not include delusion as a symptom. Again, being transgender does not mean you are delusional.

    I'm not even going to go into your claims about bathroom rape again, because it's ridiculous.
     
    julius, RR7, Flipper and 3 others like this.
  9. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    58,589
    Likes Received:
    58,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Scary enough, there are probably people who do. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
     
  10. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    44,412
    Likes Received:
    32,714
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Vagabond
    Location:
    Water Valley, Alberta Ca
    No judgement here.
     
    Chris Craig and riverman like this.
  11. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,843
    Likes Received:
    66,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm sure the Tiger King has internet access...he'd be all over that site
     
    Chris Craig and SlyPokerCat like this.
  12. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    21,500
    Likes Received:
    27,672
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What photos others choose to view us not my business. I would rather see pics of cats and cakes. Would it be out of order to reveal I am making birthday cake for Nuraman?
     
  13. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,860
    Likes Received:
    122,856
    Trophy Points:
    115
  14. YamTastic

    YamTastic I'm Trans Issues

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2022
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    594
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    NW Portland
    It's really funny there's literally one person here who could be directly hurt by what MARIS61 has said (a post which, even in revision, I would classify as hate speech, but that's just my opinion of the post, not of the poster), so I guess it's no surprise it was deemed good and proper to reinstate it so that the poster could continue this discussion. I guess it's because it's very important to discuss various bigotries spouted by the members here as if they were gentle philosophical stands.

    You can't argue with transphobia, homophobia, racism, religious zealotry, etc. Citing facts and gotchas from bible verses serve to make the centrist-leaning liberals who do this feel very special indeed, but they don't change minds. I tried the game, I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change. But change is not possible. Ironically, I can cite studies (I know there's been like, Wired or Atlantic articles about the psychology of obstinancy in ideology), but that too doesn't matter.

    I'm reminded of a bartender I knew who told me about nazi bars. He said, "A nazi will come into a bar, and be the nicest, calmest motherfucker in the room, and this is on purpose so that you look unreasonable when you kick the fucker out immediately. But you have to kick him out immediately, or else the next time he comes in, he'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring friends the third time, and sooner or later, everyone else has stopped coming to your bar and your bar's a nazi bar."

    You didn't seek to kick out the transphobes and homophobes and racists and misogynists when you established this place; when the OT forum started, you got a good fucking look at the kind of shit people really thought here, and you chose to do nothing about it, as if that were somehow noble. Now all the marginalized members of the forum are gone except for two, and the majority who are left have you by the balls. You can't even delete a post that is (in my opinion) Actual Hate Speech without putting it back as if that were the noble thing. Dear God what weakness.

    Congratulations, your bar is a nazi bar now... metaphorically speaking, of course (I wouldn't dare offend anyone here, that would be bad, right?)
     
    Chris Craig, riverman, RR7 and 2 others like this.
  15. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    67,843
    Likes Received:
    66,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You posting my friend is a large part what keeps this from being a Nazi bar....
     
  16. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2008
    Messages:
    122,860
    Likes Received:
    122,856
    Trophy Points:
    115
    I am truly sorry you feel that way but I completely understand why you do.

    This is not the first post in this thread where Maris has said bullshit like that. Fortunately, I happened to be in the forum when he posted them and I immediately deleted them. This time I decided to try something different. To leave what I feel is a vile comment up and to see if the reactions and replies from others can get through to him. When I say I'm at the end of my rope with what he does I truly mean this. So, like you in this post have admitted to trying, "I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change."

    I don't know what to do, if I delete it he posts it again a month later, if I delete and ban him no one has any idea of why I banned him, and then I have accusations and letters to the Blazers that I am trying to eliminate all the conservative members of the forum.

    I read that post, deleted it, and then thought fuck that, this shit sucks and he needs to be told that. So I put the post back, and asked for help.

    If that was wrong and that now makes me a Nazi I'll own it. I tried something different, I tried it publicly, and if I failed I'll own it.

    When I put that post back and asked for help today you were one of the ones I was hoping would reply to him. I have seen you do it eloquently and logically to some of ABM's to where has thanked you. I was hoping you in this instance would do the same.

    Instead, you have eloquently and logically explained what I tried to do was wrong.

    But also, I can support the lbgtq+ communities, I can defend the lbgtq+ communities, but I can not and will not speak for the lbgtq+ communities. In this instance, I was truly trying to clear the way for others to speak. But, if clearing the stage for you or others to speak I felt it was important to leave the hateful reasons why voices needed to be heard.

    I was honest in saying this his post will be deleted but I'm going to leave it up a little longer so others in this community can see why his post was wrong, the mistakes I made since then, and the vital context to your post.

    What I have not decided yet is if Maris will continue to be a part of this community.

    I'm sorry for any pain that Maris and my response to him have caused you.
     
    Chris Craig likes this.
  17. YamTastic

    YamTastic I'm Trans Issues

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2022
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    594
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    NW Portland
    Sly, you are not a nazi, just like the bartender isn't a nazi in the nazi bar scenario. I truly didn't mean to imply you were,

    I know, and you have mentioned before, about how hard your job is, and I respect that you thought it was best for someone directly involved in the subject (namely, me) to attempt to respond to MARIS's post.

    But come on. You didn't even ask me if I wanted to respond, or if I'd even seen it! (I hadn't) Instead, you put a big post up, brought back his post, and then indirectly suggested I respond to it. Like it's my fucking problem your members write transphobic screeds?

    I'll admit, I'm really hurt about this, and I'm talking about it publicly because everyone talks about me publicly in this thread so I might as well. But I'm not going anywhere. After the horseshit trying to convince ABM, I hope you understand that I'm not going to be as gung ho happy to try and re-educate every person who writes posts implying or outright stating that I'm mentally ill and dangerous.

    Anyway I'm going to bed. I'm not leaving this forum, because that would be going easy on you lovely people.
     
  18. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    21,500
    Likes Received:
    27,672
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am NOT sorry Yam "feels this way". Because she is right.
    Is it really a coincidence that Spud is gone, Dviss is gone, Eric is gone? Do you really want a board of straight white men plus HCP?
    (Not saying this to call out HCP, just that if I say straight white men someone will point out there is still one Hispanic poster so....)
     
  19. YamTastic

    YamTastic I'm Trans Issues

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2022
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    594
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    NW Portland
    I would say HCP has been the (rather jocular) target of a metric fuckton of (rather jocular) racism on this site for years. I do not envy him the shit he's had to take, honestly.
     
  20. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    7,361
    Likes Received:
    14,943
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't suppose the option exists to ban a forum member from the OT side of the forum, while leaving them access to the Blazers side of the forum.....?? And if someone is complaining to the Blazer front office because they are being banned or "ill treated" for bringing racist, homophobic or any other kind of behavior unacceptable in "polite" society to this forum, fuck 'em. The Blazers need to direct them to mental health resources......
     
    Phatguysrule, Flipper and SlyPokerDog like this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page