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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Wait, so when it was said....

    STEPHANOPOULOS: I can hear the Republican attack ad right now: He wants America to look more like Scandinavia.

    SANDERS: That’s right. That’s right. What’s wrong with that?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    And wait a minute... Helping the middle class? You know that these countries tax the middle class much more than we tax ours?
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Did you see what other countries were at 27%?

    Trinidad and Tobago 28.0
    Jamaica 27.2
    Zimbabwe 27.2
    Bolivia 27.0
    Tonga 27.0
    South Africa 26.9
    United States 26.9
    Kazakhstan 26.8
    Korea, South 26.8
    Croatia 26.6
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 26.5
    Australia 25.8
    Samoa 25.5
    Venezuela 25.0

    Not exactly a hot bed of developing countries there.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    qualifiers matter.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Oh okay... So you are for the tax hike then?
     
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    Listen, Mags is making the argument that if Sanders wants so of the social policies that Scandinavian countries have that means he wants a 70% tax rate. That's not an accurate argument or even something that Sanders has have said.

    We can give employees paid sick time without raising taxes. We can give women paid maternity leave without raising taxes. There are things we can do for our citizens that improves their lives that doesn't involve raising taxes.

    This is very similar to the smear campaign going against Trump right now, just because Trump has supported universal health care or has given money to democrat candidates doesn't mean he's some secret democrat in hiding.

    Here are two candidates outside of the traditional political mold, we have a real chance this election to actually talk about policy and direction of the nation. Not just empty shit your pants rhetoric.

    Sanders is a rapist, Sanders is a communist, now Sanders wants to raise taxes to 70%. WTF?!?

    How instead of getting caught up in the BS being spread about both candidates we instead look at the issues they are running on.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    sometimes I don't even know why I bother reading your posts anymore. You're too scared and gullible for your own good.

    (that satire piece, that fake Obama quote you got your panties in a bunch over, and probably a dozen other threads you started that were so obviously in a chain mail that it's not even funny anymore)
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    When you look at these countries and their tax rate, he must tax EVERYONE, including the poor and middle class.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    All the Scandinavian countries have high tax rates. Do you think the poor and middle class will support having a tax hike? Lets say 10% increase in taxes they already pay?

    So you think Bernie can do what he promises without hiking the tax rates of the poor and middle class? Please enlighten me with the magic of Bernie Sanders!
     
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    Nice reply... So you don't want to openly discuss Bernie needing to tax ALL SOCIAL CLASSES in order to have a socialized welfare like these Scandinavian countries then?
     
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    What is socialized welfare, are you advocating privatizing welfare?
     
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    Maybe, because, you don't need to?
     
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    No, I doubt anyone will support a 10% tax increase.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    When a country is giving you free healthcare, schooling or subsidies, its a form of welfare. Welfare is a social service provided by the state of fed government
     
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    So then how do you intend Bernie to be able to provide free schooling, free healthcare, free roadways, free subsidies then?
     
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    Oh please enlighten me how you can do this when every successful democratic socialist country has almost double our tax to GDP?
     
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    I'll do that when you provide links showing that he actually said that instead of you just parroting what you've read in an email or heard on the radio (thinking you've made a valid point).
     
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