How to keep Kanter?

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  1. hoopsjock

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    Just a note, no team currently has the cap space at the draft to take Harkless, Leonard, or Turner without sending salary back. They could agree to the trade and then wait until the new calendar year but most of the teams that cleared cap space or have a big enough trade exception for this summer have bigger plans for it than to get a pick in the 20's and take on a bad contract.
     
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    He got him over the other teams due already had relationship when he sign him offered sheet 4 years ago. So when Olshey went after him being bought out from the Knicks in Kanter mind here a GM really wants me so he show loyalty back to Olshey. But we don't know what Olshey told him for the future either but that's for later date.
     
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    When is the last time a GM didn't lock up his up and coming star player ASAP? It would have sent the wrong message.
     
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    Lol. His regular theme. I didn't watch the game, but I have the right answers and everyone else has lesser BBIQ than me! I know it all and everyone else is wrong. :)
     
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    Dame is the star. CJ is a robin and there are alot of robins in the league. We could have waited.
     
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    Nurk got a 4 year, $48 million contract so factoring in that Kanter is a couple years older and isn't as good defensively I'd estimate him to get about $10 million a year this summer. That is why it was a big failure to not ditch a contract at the deadline. It's the difference between starting off at $9 million this summer, which would get in the ballpark to retain him, or only being able to offer $5.6 million. If the rest of the season goes well would he sign here for the Tax-MLE for 2 years thinking he'd get a bigger deal once we had his bird rights and he'd still only be 28? I think that'd be a huge risk considering the ownership situation and what if Olshey isn't still here to follow through with a promise.

    Most likely it would take something along the lines of what Denver did last summer where we'd have to trade a team a 2020 lottery protected 1st to take on a contract but the problem with this route is it was 12 days into free agency after most of the dust had settled. Would Kanter still be unsigned by then? Would teams that struck out be willing to take on the salary? Is that still enough money to sign Kanter and keep Layman? It's super tricky short of a miracle dumping of Turner's contract.
     
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    I really dislike the new salary cap.
     
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    I'm not sure about that. When Dame is out, we see that CJ can be a star. I don't think he's the best fit here but I'd be willing to bet that if he had his own team, he'd be putting up MONSTER numbers. But back to my question, when is the last time a team didn't lock up their up and coming star guard?
     
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    Here's a question I find pretty intriguing right now:

    Would you rather go into the off-season and the trade deadline next year having those three big expiring contracts (Leonard, Harkless, and Turner) to possibly be players for a big trade or would you rather ditch the contracts and re-sign guys like Hood and Kanter?
     
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    I would want to be a player for a big trade. Winning championships is almost exclusively about having stars and upper end talent. Theyve upgraded their depth really well, but in order to compete at the highest level they’ll have to find a way to bring at least one more player of about Dames talent level in. Or hope that one of the young players developes into that.
     
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    I dont think this can be answered because the opinion of "star guard " probably has a wide disparity.
     
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    Yes, I agree but you do risk being worse off in the short term until the deadline and then also risk that a trade like that doesn't actually come to fruition. I think taking those contracts away completely closes the door on a big trade next year though without giving up a piece like CJ.
     
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    Can we keep Curry too?
     
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    Can we keep Curry too?
     
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    Yeah, there is a risk to it no doubt. I would love to Keep hood, Layman, Kanter and I think they'll keep layman. The other two might be cap casualties depending on what their market looks like. I just think they gotta find a way to get stars and I don't know what other path they have, unless maybe the luck out and get a great player in the draft who fell for who knows what reasons.
     
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    If the answer is to simply dump money to re-sign those guys then I think we could make some creative trades that involve basically trading a big one year contract for a smaller contract that still has 2-3 years left on it. This would have to involve teams willing to sacrifice a bit of cap space this year in order to get more in future years, which I'd imagine a few teams would be fine with.

    Something along the lines of:

    Turner to the Bulls for Cristiano Felicio

    It saves us $10 million next year but Felicio still is under contract in 2020-2021 so it saves the Bulls almost $8 million the following season.
     
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    There are around 60 such contracts available for trade next season. Supply wildly exceeds demand. In other words, those 3 deals are worthless. You want trade assets? Sign guys like Hood and Kanter to reasonable deals. Whether you trade them or they earn their way into the rotation, you come out ahead.
     
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    Currently we have the Tax-MLE which is about $5.6 million. Without using that this is the max we can offer our free agents:

    Layman: Max

    Aminu: Max

    Curry: About $3.5 million

    Hood: About $4.35 million

    Kanter: League Minimum

    Basically what this means is Curry and Hood would have to accept contracts for those amounts or would be gone. If we want to keep Kanter we'd have to somehow open up the Full-MLE (assuming he wouldn't take the Tax-MLE) meaning re-signing those other guys would be very difficult.
     
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    I know all about the other contracts but I wouldn't call them worthless. If a team like Detroit decides to blow it up than getting our three expirings and a couple 1sts and young players is much more likely to get Griffin than a bunch of okay players that wouldn't help them win and still have multiple years remaining.
     
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