Is it too soon to talk about defensive rating?

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  1. HailBlazers

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    The problem with Terry is that he didn't have schemes, he had A scheme.
     
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    Might want to try putting either in an "Ideal" situation before making any decision? What is obvious to me is that Stotts would get more from this current team than Billups is currently getting. Now I'll add a qualifier. Billups is IMO a rookie coach at this point. He may very well get better. Even much better.
     
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    This was the exact response by some to those who pushed back on that lazy take, questioning the teams ability to identify and obtain a better replacement. There are three types of "anyone is better..." folks:
    1. Those who are now blaming Billups
    2. Those who totally disappeared.
    3. (and the worst of them all) Those who are double and tripling down that what's going on now is in fact better.
    I suppose if we wait long enough, the we will have a better season than we had under the previous coaching staff. However, given the lack of success to start last season with a comparable roster to the end of the 2020-21 season, and now a second subpar season, I think there is enough evidence that the "anyone is better..." crowd was flat out wrong.
     
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    Not true at all. He played to the strengths of his roster. When you have a ball dominant PG and a pound the rock SG and a Lumbering Center that won't dunk and can't make a simple layup matched with endless amounts of patchwork players that can't shoot to fill in around them you go with what they can do best.
    At times they had players that could defend but could not shoot. A couple times they had backup centers that could score and not defend. Sometimes they had just bad players?
    You give Terry mobile length and better athletes he would coach to their talents. I still doubt Lillard would push the ball any faster than he currently does.
     
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    Despite being repeated often, this is a false narrative.

    Stotts had a core philosophy that he operated under, but we certainly ran more than one scheme on defense; the problem was the most aggressive schemes didn't work. What should be noted the most was that Stotts attempted to play to the strength of the roster. At the start of last season, we saw what it looked like to ask Nurk to play defense out a 30ft. Blaming a coach for not being more multiple, despite having clunky centers (Nurk, Kanter, Whiteside), would be like blaming McMillan for not running enough 3pt plays for Andre Miller, who didn't have that range.
     
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    Bingo! Note we were 11th in defensive rating with Plumlee and Ed Davis on the roster.
     
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    Terry was immune to adjustments. Case in point: Steph Curry.
     
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    He wasn’t immune to helping us get to the playoffs though.
     
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    I have no issues with people saying Terry was not the best coach in the NBA or close to it, but he was more than competent and clearly not the biggest or even in the top 3 problems with the team during his tenure.
     
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    Where he was consistently exposed.
     
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    I can't believe how much weight was put on this one game. I know everyone wanted Nurk out there challenging Steph to get around him, so he could pass the ball to Green, who was one of the best in the league in the 4:3 advantage. Of course, we saw that later in the series, when adustments were made.
     
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    I'd love to get exposed in the Western Conference Finals more often.
     
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    They were ahead in that game until the 4th when they went cold. Yes Steph is very good.
     
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    This conversation has been had.
    Terry is gone.
    Billups is here.
    I'm going to support Billups and hope he continues to improve.
     
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    I'd hate to get swept in the first round yet again.
     
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    And how are we doing now in that department?
     
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    Amen
     
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    And guess what….you won’t need to worry about that for awhile.
     
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    Thankfully.

     
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    Premature? They might still find a way to get into the playoffs this season. Lets let them play the games and see if they can get into the Play-in.
    Never count Lillard out.
     
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