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  1. Ed O

    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    It's really not rocket science. You "breaking it down" demonstrates you are a bit confused so let me try to help.

    If a guy is worth $19m and you're paying him $19m, then you are just breaking even. A team filled with that guy isn't going to be making the playoffs, because you should be seeking players that are worth MORE than their contracted amount. This tends to be superstars and guys on their rookie deals.

    That doesn't mean that every player that you have on your roster needs to be adding value over his contracted amount--there are loopholes with the soft cap that make it better to have a guy worth something, anything, if there's no opportunity cost (like if you're already over the cap).

    The only time you should give up substantial assets to acquire a player is when there's a likelihood of him adding value over his contracted amount (and/or if you have a "use it or lose it" situation with cap space, etc.).

    So... looking at Toronto-Portland. If we assume that OG is worth right at his contract level (taking into account his injury history, his potential for improvement, the size and length of his contract, etc.), then Portland should only give up anything to get him if there's no opportunity cost (meaning: getting him won't cut off any opportunities to do something else). Trading Bledsoe's expiring deal would make sense since Portland presumably will cut him rather than guarantee his deal, so it's a "use it or lose it" situation. Giving up a lottery pick is overpaying, especially since there would probably have to be other salary-matching involved to make the deal work and I don't think Portland has bad contracts to dump (and any dumping would make the deal less appealing to Toronto).

    From Toronto's perspective: I said that I don't think sending Bledsoe, alone, would be enough for them. They can keep OG with nothing but opportunity cost (trading him for other value) as they can pay him what he's worth and cross their fingers that he improves. The case for accepting Bledsoe is that they could get out from under OG's contract (cutting Bledsoe with minimal cap hit) and use that money elsewhere... I don't know the Raptors' cap situation well enough to know if that would have any appeal or not.

    If not? Then the trade shouldn't happen since our agreed-upon at-contract-value OG is not something the Blazers should give up significant assets to acquire.
     
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    We don't have a small forward who is worth 19M right now... we sure could use one... we're not going to be able to get that in free agency. As you've already recognized an expiring contract alone will not be enough value to offset what the Raptors would be losing if they moved OG. We would be gaining that and due to the roster we currently have and the roster that the Raptors currently have we are in more need of a small forward who is worth 19M therefore we should be willing to give up Bledsoe's expiring contract which won't benefit the Raptors at all until the 2023-24 season and other compensation... if you think the seventh pick in the draft is too much I can see the logic in that but if you think that any additional value we send there way is too much, which is the ground you're trying to hold for some reason that I'm sure you don't even agree with at this point then again you don't have any credibility.

    You don't need to respond to this, it's very clear you're just trying to back up a senseless statement that you made. This shit isn't moving stationary numbers around on a spreadsheet... it's not even moving ascending and descending numbers around on a spreadsheet. This is personnel we're talking about, very very specific and high end personnel. Our roster has gaping holes that need to be filled in order for our GM to keep his word and work towards building a contender around Dame. If you think that the 7th pick and keeping the guaranteed 4M on Bledsoes contract has more value when balanced out than OG that's cool but if you think that OG has no more value to add to this roster than an offsetting salary... then again you have no credibility. Like I said, there's really no need to respond.
     
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  3. WesleyMatthews

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    Toronto can't cut Bledsoe salary, it would have to be close to fully guaranteed to match in the trade. That loophole was changed a number of years ago.

    That's another reason the Clippers trade really sucked.
     
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    Sochan would work too.
     
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  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I would rather roll the dice and hope that we hit big on Sharpe, rather than go get a guy who is best case a solid starter.
     
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    At 7 I have Sharpe > Daniels > Sochan

    I low key think Daniels would be a good fit. I don't see the highest ceiling however. Could probably be talked into moving Daniels for Sochan and change like Dort.
     
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    Daniels would be so perfect though.
     
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    Daniels/Simons/Little/Grant/Jalen Johnson would be really interesting bench lineup.
     
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    I think he'd be a good fit even though his ceiling is a lot lower. Let's see how things shake out. I'd be more willing to move Daniels for OG. Less so if it's Sharpe for OG.
     
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    The Blazers now have several players who can play forward. Little, Grant, Winslow, Watford, Brown and Hart. Little looked like he was headed for a breakout season before his injury.

    I can't see how trading for another forward, unless it's a Jimmy Butler-level player, offsets the chance to get a very good player in the draft, or maybe even makes much of a difference at all.
    Assuming we have the same roster, Nurk will want his touches, Grant will want his touches, Ant will want his touches and Lillard can do whatever he wants with the ball.
    Nassir Little makes more sense to me as a hustle player who won't care how many touches he gets compared to OG Anunoby. Little's defense and rebounding are solid as is his finishing at the hoop.
    OG Anunoby will absolutely care about getting his shots.
    It's hard for me to see how trading for Anunoby is the best use of the #7 pick.
    We have a huge need at backup center.
    If Shaedon Sharpe or Keegan Murray aren't available with our pick, why not draft Jalen Duren, a prospect that is ranked quite highly by some out there? With his mobility, the Blazers could run a Boston-style defense. If his mid-range jumper comes around, he could be one of the best players from the 2022 draft.

    I can't see much of a gain. Only a possible disastrous loss by making this trade.
     
  11. illmatic99

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    How committed is Jody to paying for a winner?

    Our starting lineup could be:

    Dame 44
    Ant 25
    OG 19
    Grant 23
    Nurk 18

    Josh 14

    Gotta pay to win. But they could like the cost controlled benefits of the #7 pick.
     
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    Not guaranteed to win with that roster. Better to just swing the fences on guys like Sharpe. Not all the way in on him yet, but Simons and Sharpe as the backcourt of the future could be the silkiest shooting young backcourt in the NBA.
     
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    WHY ARE THE BLAZERS EVEN THINKING ABOUT TRADING THE 7th pick FOR ANUNOBY???

    Where does this guy rank in the NBA in the list of best players? 40th? Probably more like 50th.

    This is what I see:
    Anunoby MIGHT be better than any forward we've had since Aldridge.

    That's the problem. It's a mind trick.

    Yes, Anunoby is a good young player. Nothing more than that.

    Would Lebron James make a big effort to land Anunoby as his 2nd man to win a championship? No.

    Anunoby does not make the Blazers a contender. It's just a horrible waste of the 7th pick. If you don't see the upside in a Dyson Daniels, go for a Jalen Duren. I would even prefer gambling on AJ Griffin. (If Sharpe isn't available.)

    1. Lebron James 2. Luka Doncic 3. Chris Paul 4. Joel Embiid 5. Nikola Jokic 6. Stephen Curry 7. Jimmy Butler 8. Devin Booker 9. Kevin Durant 10. Jayson Tatum 11. Giannis Antetokounmpo 12. Ja Morant 13. Kawhi Leonard 14. Trae Young 15. Kyrie Irving 16. Donovan Mitchell 17. Paul George 18. Zach Lavine 19. Damian Lillard 20. Demar Derozan 21. Jaylen Brown 22. Bradley Beal 23. LaMelo Ball 24. Pascal Siakam 25. Anthony Edwards 26. Brandon Ingram 27. Anthony Davis 28. Khris Middleton 29. Bam Adebayo 30. Darius Garland 31. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 32. Karl-Anthony Townes 33. James Harden 34. Jamal Murray 35. De'aron Fox 36. Dejounte Murray 37. Domantas Sabonis 38. Deandre Ayton 39. Jrue Holiday 40. Miles Bridges 41. Klay Thompson 42. Rudy Gobert 43. Andrew Wiggins 44. Marcus Smart 45. Cade Cunningham 46. Jarrett Allen 47. Tyrese Haliburton 48. Fred Van Vleey 49. Draymond Green
     
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    What exactly are they winning? First round in the playoffs?
     
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    There are a lot more players I would say are better than OG that aren't even listed here. Trading #7 for OG would be lame.
     
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    100%.

    Between Siakam and Barnes, OG is the odd man out and does not appear to be a player capable of making All-Star games like the other two.

    If Sharpe blows up on another team and I think he will considering Presti's obsession over him (OKC already possessing SGA+Dort+Giddey, mind you), you had better prepare a Cronin clown face avatar.

    Additionally, OG will also be very expensive in two years. Sharpe will still be on his rookie contract.

    It's a no brainer, for me.
     
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    REALLY like OG, but is it worth the chance at a 'star'? Also, where would all the shots be for Nurk/Grant/OG/Ant/Dame?
     
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    OG is one of the best defenders in the league. I think many on here are selling him short
     
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    Hello,

    only worth salary absorption?

    Hard disagree with that take. Wow.
     
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    Tremendous defender....but is he the 2nd star that this team needs?
     
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