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illmatic99 said:
This team needs assets.

OG is the final piece to a championship puzzle. We are not close to a championship team. And it doesn't matter that we added Grant. He doesn't bring us anywhere closer either.

I answered that three posts ago.
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You're probably right but there is no certainty when we haven't seen Dame play healthy in so long, we haven't seen what Dame and Ant can do together since Ant made this huge leap, we haven't seen how Grant plays with a player like Dame especially after having been the number one option and now having that presure taken off of him. A variable on your side is that we do know that when Nurk's touches go down he's disengaged in the past but if he doesn't and accepts his role, he's pretty damn good. We will also have three really good two way bench players. So if a player like OG took his game to the next level or someone we draft is far further along than the evaluation process has shown. We could be a very dangerous team that could contend in an opportunistic scenario. That's a shit ton of caveats that I just threw out there to make it possible that you could be wrong, so again you're probably right but then again.
 
illmatic99 said:
this convo is like pulling teeth. I feel like you're being purposely difficult because you didn't get the response you were seeking.

As i said in my very first response :



You think OG has more value than Edwards?
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Is OG not an asset? We’re talking about giving up a top ten pick for him. He’s only 24, and his contract would be easier to match in a hypoethical trade for a superstar than a guy on a rookie scale.
 
Scalma said:
Is OG not an asset? We’re talking about giving up a top ten pick for him. He’s only 24, and his contract would be easier to match in a hypoethical trade for a superstar than a guy on a rookie scale.
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OG is an asset. Anthony Edwards is a superstar that won't get traded because he's a franchise level player.

there are different tiers. You know this.
 
blazerkor said:
You're probably right but there is no certainty when we haven't seen Dame play healthy in so long, we haven't seen what Dame and Ant can do together since Ant made this huge leap, we haven't seen how Grant plays with a player like Dame especially after having been the number one option and now having that presure taken off of him. A variable on your side is that we do know that when Nurk's touches go down he's disengaged in the past but if he doesn't and accepts his role, he's pretty damn good. We will also have three really good two way bench players. So if a player like OG took his game to the next level or someone we draft is far further along than the evaluation process has shown. We could be a very dangerous team that could contend in an opportunistic scenario. That's a shit ton of caveats that I just threw out there to make it possible that you could be wrong, so again you're probably right but then again.
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IMO, I would say this team + Grant + pick (Sharpe, etc) + MLE is maybe a 45-48 win team, borderline for playoffs.

Adding OG instead of the pick - Hart/Nas is probably a 50-52 win team. Comfortably in the playoffs, competing for homecourt.

If we want to hope that we can make a run like GS/PHX just did the past two years and rely on other better teams getting hurt for playoff success, then OG is the guy. If we think we have no shot at realistically matching the Clips/GS/MEM in the west next year, then we should play the long game.
 
illmatic99 said:
OG is an asset. Anthony Edwards is a superstar that won't get traded because he's a franchise level player.

there are different tiers. You know this.
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a superstar?? Based on what? Maybe one day, but he’s nowhere near that now. His numbers arent even on McCollum level
 
Scalma said:
a superstar?? Based on what? Maybe one day, but he’s nowhere near that now. His numbers are McCollum level
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dude is 20 yrs old. and put up an efficient 25 ppg in the playoffs as a number one option when his costar shrunk.

surely you don't think OG has more trade value than Edwards.
 
illmatic99 said:
IMO, I would say this team + Grant + pick (Sharpe, etc) + MLE is maybe a 45-48 win team, borderline for playoffs.

Adding OG instead of the pick - Hart/Nas is probably a 50-52 win team. Comfortably in the playoffs, competing for homecourt.

If we want to hope that we can make a run like GS/PHX just did the past two years and rely on other better teams getting hurt for playoff success, then OG is the guy. If we think we have no shot at realistically matching the Clips/GS/MEM in the west next year, then we should play the long game.
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If this team misses the playoffs, they retain next year's pick, iirc, otherwise it goes to Chicago?
 
Anthony Edwards has super star potential at the age of 20. He certainly is not there yet. But, his 2nd year in Minnesota was better than CJs last year in Portland (CJ did play a whole lot better for NOP).
 
illmatic99 said:
dude is 20 yrs old. and put up an efficient 25 ppg in the playoffs as a number one option when his costar shrunk.

surely you don't think OG has more trade value than Edwards.
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I don’t care about trade value, I care about who makes the Blazers better on the court.
 
Scalma said:
If you wanna play that game, Anthony Edwards isn’t the final piece to a championship puzzle either.
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We aren’t looking for the final piece. We are still trying to build the foundation.

Steph/Klay/Draymond/Wiggins

Tatum/Brown/Smart/Williams

Butler/Bam

Giannis/Middleton/Holiday

I can go on and on.

Is Dame/Ant/Grant in that same tier?
 
Natebishop3 said:
We aren’t looking for the final piece. We are still trying to build the foundation.

Steph/Klay/Draymond/Wiggins

Tatum/Brown/Smart/Williams

Butler/Bam

Giannis/Middleton/Holiday

I can go on and on.

Is Dame/Ant/Grant in that same tier?
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Dame/Ant/Grant/OG

possibly, with improvement.
 
Scalma said:
I don’t care about trade value, I care about who makes the Blazers better on the court.
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This is a low bar. I think you could put the HCP out on the court and he'd be better than Blevins. They would, in theory, be better on the court.
 
andalusian said:
Without the timeline, this is not a good answer. If we are talking immediatly, OG >> #7. If we are talking about potential to really contend in a couple of years, you roll the dice on #7.
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I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer, I just questioned whether this team really needs another scoring guard.

I guess a better question is Daniels or Sharpe. Cuz I’d make my case for Daniels.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is a low bar. I think you could put the HCP out on the court and he'd be better than Blevins. They would, in theory, be better on the court.
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I would pay money for a 3rd level ticket to watch that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is a low bar. I think you could put the HCP out on the court and he'd be better than Blevins. They would, in theory, be better on the court.
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sidebar, what would you do if Blevins got a contract for the team next yr?
 
Scalma said:
I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer, I just questioned whether this team really needs another scoring guard.

I guess a better question is Daniels or Sharpe. Cuz I’d make my case for Daniels.
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I agree that positionally, this is not a big need for the team. I would argue that if Sharpe really has the potential to be special (which many people do see to believe he has) - this is a problem that is easy to solve. Frankly, if NeO was smart enough, he would have done a CJ trade a lot earlier when it was clear that two very good PGs on the roster does not optimize their talent. If the Blazers are in position to choose between Ant and Sharpe at some point - you choose the one that is better for the roster at this point and upgrade by trading the other for a position of need.

As for Daniels vs Sharpe, I can not answer that. I have not watched much of him.
 
andalusian said:
I agree that positionally, this is not a big need for the team. I would argue that if Sharpe really has the potential to be special (which many people do see to believe he has) - this is a problem that is easy to solve. Frankly, if NeO was smart enough, he would have done a CJ trade a lot earlier when it was clear that two very good PGs on the roster does not optimize their talent. If the Blazers are in position to choose between Ant and Sharpe at some point - you choose the one that is better for the roster at this point and upgrade by trading the other for a position of need.

As for Daniels vs Sharpe, I can not answer that. I have not watched much of him.
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There is also a world where Sharpe can grow an inch or two and can become a full time SF.
 
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