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Minstrel said:
So we give up almost 38 PER and get back only 27? I wish people would think their trades through rather than just seeing if the salaries work.
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Minstrel said:
While I don't think the Blazers are going to explore moving Lillard, I'd love to see the alternate universe where the Blazers hold the Sixers up for all that they're worth and see if Morey bites the bullet on that.
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If Lillard asked, that is a good haul for him. Some posters said that would be a garbage trade for us in another thread. I think it is just about the best case scenario to jump start a rebuild. Maxey and Simmons are both good players. Not as good as Lillard. But younger, and we get assets from them.

Harden basically got 3 firsts and 4 first round pick swaps along with Levert and Jarrett Allen.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
If Lillard asked, that is a good haul for him. Some posters said that would be a garbage trade for us in another thread. I think it is just about the best case scenario to jump start a rebuild. Maxey and Simmons are both good players. Not as good as Lillard. But younger, and we get assets from them.

Harden basically got 3 firsts and 4 first round pick swaps along with Levert and Jarrett Allen.
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They wound up with Oladipo, not Allen or Lavert. Terrible trade by Houston.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
They wound up with Oladipo, not Allen or Lavert. Terrible trade by Houston.
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Right. But those players did come from Brooklyn so they likely could have just taken those two in the picks. Houston apparently didn't want those players though.
 
IF we're going full tank/rebuild mode around Dame (with his blessing to try something new)

Trade #1

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Bulls: RoCo would be a good fit on a team with elite perimeter defenders like Ball and Caruso.

Wizards: Get a wing in exchange for someone who hasn't played in two years.

Warriors: Apparently are interested in Nurk. He'd thrive in that system and be an immediate upgrade over Looney. Imagine the screens he'd set for Steph and Klay.

Blazers: Get under the tax. Get some young players for two guys that could leave after the season. Get their 1st back which allows them to once again trade future 1sts.

A 5th team that wanted Snell for a 2nd round pick or something could be added to take care of the remaining roster spot issue.


Then trade Norm:

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Celtics: Get a guard who would space the floor for Tatum and Brown and would probably play better defense on a more balanced team.

Blazers: Get cap relief, a young asset, and what will most likely be a mid 1st round pick.


Then CJ:
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Timberwolves: Not sure if they'd do this, but in theory find a 3rd team that thought they could get the old Fournier back and had an expiring close to his contract.

Knicks: Finally get a playmaking guard. They have two extra 1sts in both of the drafts they're trading picks from so it doesn't really hurt them too bad.

Blazers: Get huge salary relief and more picks.


2022 Off Season:

Players under contract
Damian Lillard
Larry Nance
Nassir Little
Greg Brown
Moses Moody
Aaron Nesmith
Kemba Walker (Would give him away for free if another team wanted him)

Total Salary including Nicholson dead cap: $77,454,705
Total Salary plus Anfernee Simons' cap hold: $89,271,159

Projected Salary Cap for 2022-23: $119 million

So we'd go into the offseason with a likely top-5ish pick (assuming we don't get unlucky in the lottery), two additional mid-1sts, all our future picks tradeable again, and an extra 1st in 2023. Also the possibility of up to $30 million in cap space (minus roster holds and draft picks, fluidity though). Now you may be thinking why would Portland want cap space when no free agents come here? Well, with those kinds of young players, draft capital, and cap space they'd be able to get any player(s) they coveted that were slightly available in a trade. Then fill in the roster around whatever player(s) they get. Get lucky with a top-3 pick and they have a chance of adding a 2nd star better than anyone we could currently trade for. Risky for sure but I have it on good authority that Dame sees what CP3 has done in his mid 30's and thinks he could do the same with a young team. If he needs ab surgery have him get it now and pull the chute.
 

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I am beginning to wonder where the fine line between embracing the idea of a better draft pick vs making a trade to "make us better" which really translates to a push for the play in game. Doesn't seem possible to do both so essentially it makes me think that logic says we don't make a major move before the deadline to instead get a better pick and then make a move this summer. Not sure if I agree or disagree with that thought but it sure feels like the direction we are headed.
 
Boise Blazer said:
I am beginning to wonder where the fine line between embracing the idea of a better draft pick vs making a trade to "make us better" which really translates to a push for the play in game. Doesn't seem possible to do both so essentially it makes me think that logic says we don't make a major move before the deadline to instead get a better pick and then make a move this summer. Not sure if I agree or disagree with that thought but it sure feels like the direction we are headed.
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Probably the smarter but more boring move
 
hoopsjock said:
IF we're going full tank/rebuild mode around Dame (with his blessing to try something new)

Trade #1

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Bulls: RoCo would be a good fit on a team with elite perimeter defenders like Ball and Caruso.

Wizards: Get a wing in exchange for someone who hasn't played in two years.

Warriors: Apparently are interested in Nurk. He'd thrive in that system and be an immediate upgrade over Looney. Imagine the screens he'd set for Steph and Klay.

Blazers: Get under the tax. Get some young players for two guys that could leave after the season. Get their 1st back which allows them to once again trade future 1sts.

A 5th team that wanted Snell for a 2nd round pick or something could be added to take care of the remaining roster spot issue.


Then trade Norm:

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Celtics: Get a guard who would space the floor for Tatum and Brown and would probably play better defense on a more balanced team.

Blazers: Get cap relief, a young asset, and what will most likely be a mid 1st round pick.


Then CJ:
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Timberwolves: Not sure if they'd do this, but in theory find a 3rd team that thought they could get the old Fournier back and had an expiring close to his contract.

Knicks: Finally get a playmaking guard. They have two extra 1sts in both of the drafts they're trading picks from so it doesn't really hurt them too bad.

Blazers: Get huge salary relief and more picks.


2022 Off Season:

Players under contract
Damian Lillard
Larry Nance
Nassir Little
Greg Brown
Moses Moody
Aaron Nesmith
Kemba Walker (Would give him away for free if another team wanted him)

Total Salary including Nicholson dead cap: $77,454,705
Total Salary plus Anfernee Simons' cap hold: $89,271,159

Projected Salary Cap for 2022-23: $119 million

So we'd go into the offseason with a likely top-5ish pick (assuming we don't get unlucky in the lottery), two additional mid-1sts, all our future picks tradeable again, and an extra 1st in 2023. Also the possibility of up to $30 million in cap space (minus roster holds and draft picks, fluidity though). Now you may be thinking why would Portland want cap space when no free agents come here? Well, with those kinds of young players, draft capital, and cap space they'd be able to get any player(s) they coveted that were slightly available in a trade. Then fill in the roster around whatever player(s) they get. Get lucky with a top-3 pick and they have a chance of adding a 2nd star better than anyone we could currently trade for. Risky for sure but I have it on good authority that Dame sees what CP3 has done in his mid 30's and thinks he could do the same with a young team. If he needs ab surgery have him get it now and pull the chute.
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I love all of this. All of it. Email Joe. Get it done.
 
I'm gonna lose my shit if we trade a pick to "get better" this year
 
e_blazer said:
I’ve never understood this saying. What is so special about your shit that you would want to keep it?
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In 1864 Spain and Peru went to war over bat shit (the guano wars). They were literally bat shit crazy.

I believe that in 1879 Peru, Bolivia and Chile had a 2nd guanu war over the same resource...
 
If we keep Billups as the coach and more likely they will you trade and draft players that's fit his system if not you either fire him as a coach or he adjust his system to fit the players. Something I don't think he has done this year.
 
andalusian said:
In 1864 Spain and Peru went to war over bat shit (the guano wars). They were literally bat shit crazy.

I believe that in 1879 Peru, Bolivia and Chile had a 2nd guanu war over the same resource...
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Man, we humans are a weird species.
 
e_blazer said:
I’ve never understood this saying. What is so special about your shit that you would want to keep it?
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Presumably, that it doesn't stink.

barfo
 
I wonder if Christian Woods is available? Stats have been declining since going to Houston. Was late for warmup0s last night and then refused to go back in for the second halof after being chastised for lack of effort. Would Simons plus Roco or Nurk to a third team (draft pick to Houston) be enough or too much?
 
Boise Blazer said:
I am beginning to wonder where the fine line between embracing the idea of a better draft pick vs making a trade to "make us better" which really translates to a push for the play in game. Doesn't seem possible to do both so essentially it makes me think that logic says we don't make a major move before the deadline to instead get a better pick and then make a move this summer. Not sure if I agree or disagree with that thought but it sure feels like the direction we are headed.
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Standing pat will result in a better win percentage than we currently have and worse lottery odds, if that's what we're going for. When CJ, Nurk, RoCo, Ant and Cody return from protocol or injury we will start winning more games because look at how different Dame is playing than he was before he got rest and treatment for his abdominal injury. So we either trade players that help us win but not win enough (CJ, Norm, Ant, Nas, RoCo, Larry, Nurk) to get more draft picks, young developing talent and tank or we try to get better now and risk losing our draft pick in order to build momentum going into next season.

I don't know if Dame will be cool with that level of tanking. I'm not ready to give up on Dame or put him in a situation where we're asking him to sacrifice a year of his prime (it's looked like it's going to be a prime year since he returned) to get younger and set up the future. So I want trades that make us better.
 
So with it said that I want trades made that make our team better one idea I have is to trade Ant to the Thunder for draft picks (I think we could get two first rounders from them). Then we trade Nurk to the Raptors for Boucher, filler and their first rounder this year top 10 protected. I would then trade CJ, RoCo and the three first rounders we just acquired to the Sixers for Simmons and filler.

We end up with a rotation of Dame, Norm, Simmons, Larry, Boucher, Nas, DSJ, Cody and either Tony or Ben Mac. I think that rotation gets us rolling in the right direction going into next season. I would try to get a contract extension done with Boucher for three years and 27M. If we make the playoffs we have all of our future picks available to deal in the off season and our top six players locked in for next season at 116.5M. If you add in 7 min contracts (~14M), our 2.8M in dead cap money and a player at the full MLE, we would end up right at the projected 145M luxury tax apron.

This is what that trade would look like if done all at once but each trade does work individually as far as matching the salaries goes and it gets us way under the luxury tax.
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blazerkor said:
So with it said that I want trades made that make our team better one idea I have is to trade Ant to the Thunder for draft picks (I think we could get two first rounders from them). Then we trade Nurk to the Raptors for Boucher, filler and their first rounder this year top 10 protected. I would then trade CJ, RoCo and the three first rounders we just acquired to the Sixers for Simmons and filler.

We end up with a rotation of Dame, Norm, Simmons, Larry, Boucher, Nas, DSJ, Cody and either Tony or Ben Mac. I think that rotation gets us rolling in the right direction going into next season. I would try to get a contract extension done with Boucher for three years and 27M. If we make the playoffs we have all of our future picks available to deal in the off season and our top six players locked in for next season at 116.5M. If you add in 7 min contracts (~14M), our 2.8M in dead cap money and a player at the full MLE, we would end up right at the projected 145M luxury tax apron.

This is what that trade would look like if done all at once but each trade does work individually as far as matching the salaries goes and it gets us way under the luxury tax.
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lol. Simons is not going to fetch 2 first round picks.
 
Also, boucher is not good.

we should learn our lesson that when really good coaches don’t give minutes to players, there’s usually a reason. (See Derrick Jones and spoelstra)
 
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