The future's not what it was

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    looking at Spotrac for Portland I think what you're seeing is just a marker for what the hard cap line is for everybody, not that Portland is hard-capped
     
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    ok...I see it there now

    my guess is that it might have to do with Thybulle. Dallas offered him the MLE and Portland matched. I assumed, since the Blazers had bird rights, they used Bird Rights to match and didn't have to use any of the MLE. Maybe not; maybe they had to match with their own MLE

    however, above that section you pointed too, Spotrac says Portland still has over 10M of the MLE left (only used it on Reath), so that would seem to elimate the MLE as the cause of the hard cap

    so then:

    the MLE is out; the BAE is out; Portland didn't take a player in a S&T

    that leaves taking back more than 110% of outgoing salary in a trade. Blazers took back a shade under 70M in the Dame trade. They sent out about 71M, so that isn't it

    it must have been the Banton trade then
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    And here's a picture of Terry Scott drinking a beer at the Timbers game....
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Thorns are at home tonight, NOT Timbers..... (Uber Driver type of response, sorry)
     
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    we might not have a winning season for years to come. we have kind struck out in the draft recently. missing on top picks really set you back Ie see the kings up until recently.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Or sportrac is wrong.
     
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    Don't think we can know this without seeing details of estate agreements and those will likely always be private.

    Could be as you say. Or it could be cash proceeds have to be turned over to x charities at such deadline. Or that management fee is only based on noncash assets. Etc etc
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Before the season what were the Blazers rank of assets? I'd probably have had it:

    Scoot
    Sharpe
    Ant
    Brogdon
    Murray
    Timelord
    Ayton
    Grant
    Other rookies

    In terms of pick values:
    Blazers own picks
    MIL pick
    MIL swaps
    BOS pick
    GS pick

    GS pick looks better than we thought even if they get in the playoffs. Grants contract looks a tad better. Camera and Rupert look better but they probably aren't first round value.

    Every other player looks worse and less valuable. Scoot value is by far the highest disappointment of the season. I guess maybe Ant is next, although it wasn't like Sharpe has done better.

    Yeah Camera Walker Reath are nice stories but these are guys trying to become limited backup role players, they just don't have much relevance to the Blazers becoming a playoff team. We need some guys who are at least discussed as quality starters. We don't need a bunch of Nicholas Batums. They would contribute as much to winning as Batum did in Charlotte.

    The biggest disappointment is the serious questions if we have a single player who can develop into an above average starter on this roster. I'm not saying contender or a star player, just a useful starter. We might have none of that right now which is super depressing.

    Add to that a historically weak draft and the normal timeline of 2025/2026 rookies likely taking years to develop and it looks like it could be a lost decade as a Blazers fan until 2030+

    Yeah I don't watch games much at all anymore and don't miss it. I'll always be a hardcore Blazers fan, but when there is little hope of any relevance for many years or longer it's hard for even the optimists to have much excitement. It's not just the losing. If we were losing but two of Scoot Sharpe Ant looked good I'd be having a ton of fun rooting for a new direction. Instead it's the scrub Banton show.
     
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    I saw a batch of draft commenters on Blazers Edge infiltrate the 60 point loss to Miami discussion. Comps were flying off the shelf. Drafting X,Y Z. college kids this summer, then winning the championship with this Blazers team as constructed.

    ..? I realize fans can be excited about March Madness and 3 Blazer picks, but championships and Portland basketball immediately following a wretched beatdown in this flatlined season...

    Portland's armchair GM's have gone nuts
     
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    Samuel James “Hollywood” Robinson

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    Fans are also calling for the owner to sell the team, GM to be fired, coach to be fired and all of the players to be traded away except Rayan Rupert.

    I realize fans can be sad about losing, but maybe firing everyone and all of the players is a little rash.
     
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    Hmmm?
    3 not 1 or 2 but 3 of the worst losses in the history of the NBA and 2 of them are this season under this coach, GM, owner. Some of those ideas might be valid?
     
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    no comment on your point, I just got stuck on you start

    "3 not 1 or 2 but 3" is pretty catchy. Like a chant for dyslexic physicists or the beginning of a nursery rhyme for nitwits. A phrase devoid of comma but desperately in need of one; or even two. The first line of a bad poem; or of a brilliant poem if nobody can figure wtf it means...

    3 not 1 or 2 but 3
    I like the 1, I don't like thee

    3 not 1 or 2 but 3
    buy them all the 4th is free

    3 not 1 or 2 but 3
    I like vodka, do you ski?
    at least that's what she said to me
     
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    But losing by 60 isn't catchy so there was a need and I guess I filled it?
     
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    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    well, you can't always get what you want
    But if you try sometime, you'll find
    you get what you need
     
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    Samuel James “Hollywood” Robinson

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    my point is that everyone is going a little crazy rn, it’s not just so-called armchair gm’s projecting unreasonable optimism onto the draft.

    the truth is somewhere in the middle. dump chauncey and cash in on a couple of vets this offseason. Trading the whole roster 30 seconds into the post-dame era for pennies sounds like insanity, but maybe that’s just me.
     
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    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Agreed. Already giving up would be a mistake, and arguably set the team back further than Olshey did in the 10 years he ran the team.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    You're right - it should've been done YEARS ago.
     
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    Samuel James “Hollywood” Robinson

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    Ooh, I gotta hear this. go on…
     

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