Politics Do his words matter?

SlyPokerDog said:

Trump should get a dog. Everyone likes dogs. Obama had a dog, Bush had a dog, Bill had a cat, that's why people don't like him or his wife.

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barfo said:

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Buddy is sad you've forgotten him.

barfo

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SlyPokerDog said:

Clintons had a dog and a cat?!?

Trump should still get a dog.

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e_blazer said:

Yes he should, if only so he could name her Hilary.

That would get everyone's knickers in a bunch.

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theprunetang said:

He would totally do that. Or call it some gibberish like Covfefe and pretend that it has some hidden meaning.

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SlyPokerDog said:

Trump should get a dog. Everyone likes dogs. Obama had a dog, Bush had a dog, Bill had a cat, that's why people don't like him or his wife.

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serious question, do Trumps words matter anymore? Nationally his words seem to embolden certain groups, but it struck me that there is not much conversation today about Trump threatening to totally destroy NK. Had Obama, Bush, Clinton or Reagan said such a thing it would have been non-stop coverage of that statement and analysis of what it meant to the US, NK and the world. But now there are articles and commentary but the general consensus is that it's all just bravado.

I'm not even necessarily against a President using threats to drive an outcome. Ronald Reagan did it with aplomb and rewarded for it. I don't see Trump ever being able to be taken seriously on the world stage.

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dviss1 said:

To answer the question of the thread title:

No. His words don't matter. Especially the ones he tweets. Those are just shiny things held up to distract us from what he's really trying to do. Like block grant (CUT TO FUCKING SMITHEREENS) Medicaid.

Notice how the ReThuglicans are only trying to do it with reconciliation and WITHOUT a CBO score...

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Denny Crane said:

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But, do his words matter? Seriously, I am not sure. I think on a world stage they matter less than any president in recent history. Locally maybe they still matter. McMasters words matter, as do the words of other cabinet members and the senate, but I don't think Trumps words carry any weight worldwide.

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Chris Craig said:

Amurica!

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Denny Crane said:

Reagan said, "when do we start bombing Russia (rough quote)" on a hot mic, but he was kidding. The proof is in the results - end of the cold war.

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Denny Crane said:

As far as NK and the rocket man thing, it's clear Trump is trying a different approach, since the previous ones were utterly unsuccessful. His top military guys (McMasters) are in line with what he's doing.

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Chris Craig said:

"Tear down this wall Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."



Trying a different approach huh. Goading a maniacal dictator into war. I'd say thats a different approach. Though I doubt Kim Jong un will actually shoot a missile at us let alone hit us or Japan with one. That would be suicide. He's just trying to look like a bad ass to his slaves...erm people

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Denny Crane said:

His words matter when he's not making a joke. The man came from the entertainment business where he was a "star" (whatever you want to call him) due partly to his sense of humor.

Reagan said, "when do we start bombing Russia (rough quote)" on a hot mic, but he was kidding. The proof is in the results - end of the cold war.

When he starts lying about important matters for his own political benefit (and no, he hasn't yet), it'll be something to talk about.

As far as NK and the rocket man thing, it's clear Trump is trying a different approach, since the previous ones were utterly unsuccessful. His top military guys (McMasters) are in line with what he's doing.

Trump was able to get the Chinese and Russians to vote for sanctions against NK, which is a big deal. So whatever he's doing has some good effect.

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Im actually not necessarily opposed to Trump trying a different approach, and the threats to bomb NK could be a decent strategy done by a serious President. Reagan for example. But I think Trump isn't taken seriously, his words don't matter. He has acted like a clown too many times, lies, "jokes", changes course, and never accomplishes anything. Quite ineffectual and hence not able to convey a true threat to NK.

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