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Some of you may have noticed and frankly have probably enjoyed my posts are a little less frequent and a little less lengthy. I’m having some trouble organizing my thoughts a bit, so bear with me as I try this hopeful conversation starter.

I think as a forum, we all believe and or hope that some changes need to and will be made to the coaching staff/front office

So my questions are these.

Do you think changes will be made?

Will you upset if one goes and not both?

Which to you is the “must go”?

Finally the team

Can this team be playoff successful with CJ as Dame’s back court mate?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Some of you may have noticed and frankly have probably enjoyed my posts are a little less frequent and a little less lengthy. I’m having some trouble organizing my thoughts a bit, so bear with me as I try this hopeful conversation starter.

I think as a forum, we all believe and or hope that some changes need to and will be made to the coaching staff/front office

So my questions are these.

Do you think changes will be made?

Will you upset if one goes and not both?

Which to you is the “must go”?

Finally the team

Can this team be playoff successful with CJ as Dame’s back court mate?
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1) change is always in the wind with everything
2) No
3) Id like to see the team trade valuable assets for a dominating forward, if it involves CJ ok. Could involve Nurk, Cov, Ant or and/or others. If Neil leaves then the new Pres/GM will make whatever changes he/she wants.
4) I do think they could be successful with in playoffs with CJ. Championship, doubt it. Even with just Dame as the lone star!
 
Mediocre Man said:
Some of you may have noticed and frankly have probably enjoyed my posts are a little less frequent and a little less lengthy. I’m having some trouble organizing my thoughts a bit, so bear with me as I try this hopeful conversation starter.

I think as a forum, we all believe and or hope that some changes need to and will be made to the coaching staff/front office

So my questions are these.

Do you think changes will be made?

Will you upset if one goes and not both?

Which to you is the “must go”?

Finally the team

Can this team be playoff successful with CJ as Dame’s back court mate?
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The one other question I would add is....Would you like to see Jody sell the team? I would
 
All we need is to remove MKS (Melo-Kanter-Stotts). With a good coach, we are contenders.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
All we need is to remove MKS (Melo-Kanter-Stotts). With a good coach, we are contenders.
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That would be a good start, and if there is no reasonable deal available for CJ, I would be content with waiting and seeing how those changes affected the team.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
All we need is to remove MKS (Melo-Kanter-Stotts). With a good coach, we are contenders.
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Some poeple are setting themselves to be really let down next year after Stotts is gone and we're still a 1st/2nd round team.

I expect there to be plenty of spin about players having to adjust to a "real system" or needing time to adjust the roster for a coach that actually value defense as the reason we aren't contenders. Of course, I strongly believe no coach or bench player is good enough to elevate the core of this roster to be a contender.
 
There is always some kind of change during the offseason. The question real is, will it be enough change to mitigate the holes in the roster and the shortcomings of the coach? Will it be simply cosmetic (switching out role players for other role players in the hopes we find the right chemistry) or real necessitated change?

Stotts is likely gone. I don't expect Neil to be fired just yet, but we will see. I would be fine with just Stotts going.

It hasn't worked in the past 9 years. Dame and CJ together won't work without a another star level player. We can't get a other star level player without trading CJ. So, no it hasn't and likely won't work.
 
Hoopguru said:
Any suggestions on what coach would make us a contending coach?
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not totally sure.
However, I liked Thibs, was practically booed off of s2, and was shown right.

Right now, I like Vander Pool. He has a lot of experience, both here and elsewhere, is highly respected by the players (and many members of s2), knows the organization, and we seemed to regress when he left.

There are others that are intriguing: Becky Hammon (NOT because she's a girl), Ime Udoka, Kenny Adkinson, ...

Media Rumors: Not interested at all in Jason Kidd. I'm lukewarm on Billups, but like Joerger.

Of course, there are coaches I like who won't be available (like Erik Spoelstra)
 
Tince said:
Some poeple are setting themselves to be really let down next year after Stotts is gone and we're still a 1st/2nd round team.

I expect there to be plenty of spin about players having to adjust to a "real system" or needing time to adjust the roster for a coach that actually value defense as the reason we aren't contenders. Of course, I strongly believe no coach or bench player is good enough to elevate the core of this roster to be a contender.
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I think many will just be happy change is happening even if it sets the Blazers back. I don't think most of us are expecting a quick change act where we get a new coach, trade CJ, and are suddenly the champions next season.
 
Tince said:
Some poeple are setting themselves to be really let down next year after Stotts is gone and we're still a 1st/2nd round team.

I expect there to be plenty of spin about players having to adjust to a "real system" or needing time to adjust the roster for a coach that actually value defense as the reason we aren't contenders. Of course, I strongly believe no coach or bench player is good enough to elevate the core of this roster to be a contender.
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You could very well be right, and in fact, more likely are. Being a curmudgeon is usually correct, and s2ers like to look smart.

I am saying that we could contend via addition by subtraction. However, adding more pieces makes sense, but it's not obvious the right deal is out there. Hopefully, it is, and CJ is gone.
 
In theory, both Olshey and Stotts should go. In reality, it will most likely just be Stotts.

In theory, CJ should most likely be traded because it has been very obvious that the Dame/CJ pairing just isn't working. In REALITY I think Stotts will be the fall guy and the team will make some minor tweaks during the offseason and try things with a new coach.

For sure, these people need to be gone next year:
Stotts
Melo
Kanter

Hopefully Collins is healthy finally so we can see if he can fill that PF/C off the bench role.
 
Natebishop3 said:
In theory, both Olshey and Stotts should go. In reality, it will most likely just be Stotts.

In theory, CJ should most likely be traded because it has been very obvious that the Dame/CJ pairing just isn't working. In REALITY I think Stotts will be the fall guy and the team will make some minor tweaks during the offseason and try things with a new coach.

For sure, these people need to be gone next year:
Stotts
Melo
Kanter

Hopefully Collins is healthy finally so we can see if he can fill that PF/C off the bench role.
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I'm not really seeing a scenario where Melo isn't back unless he doesn't want to be back.
 
Chris Craig said:
I think many will just be happy change is happening even if it sets the Blazers back. I don't think most of us are expecting a quick change act where we get a new coach, trade CJ, and are suddenly the champions next season.
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I hope that's what most people think. However, there have been a lot of posts saying Stotts is holding us back, he's the worst coach in the league, and that this current roster is a contending roster. If people really believe that, then it's only reasonable to expect they assume a new coach will likely vault this contending roster into the WCF immediately.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That would cement the fact that Neil doesn't give a shit about winning.
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That I can't speculate.

Given how much it appears Melo is loved by his teammates and Olshey, why would we think Portland wouldn't bring him back on the minimum if he were willing? We give guys 5 times as much to get DNPs and while Melo has massive flaws, he's one of a few guys who have actually outplayed their contract.
 
Tince said:
I hope that's what most people think. However, there have been a lot of posts saying Stotts is holding us back, he's the worst coach in the league, and that this current roster is a contending roster. If people really believe that, then it's only reasonable to expect they assume a new coach will likely vault this contending roster into the WCF immediately.
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We have no idea what this team is capable of. Especially Dame and CJ. Go watch that clip where Beverley talks about Dame and our shitty coaching. We have never seen Dame or CJ with a different coach. Their entire careers have been with Stotts. How can I really say what this team is capable of until we see what they can do in a new system? How do we know what kind of defense this team could play until we have a coach who understands defense?

Is this team a contender with a new coach? Probably not. I have never loved the Dame/CJ pairing. But again, we have no idea.
 
Tince said:
That I can't speculate.

Given how much it appears Melo is loved by his teammates and Olshey, why would we think Portland wouldn't bring him back on the minimum if he were willing? We give guys 5 times as much to get DNPs and while Melo has massive flaws, he's one of a few guys who have actually outplayed their contract.
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Melo's contract is irrelevant. He might be paid the minimum, but he is played like he's being paid $10 million. And while he has his moments, overall he has been a net negative.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I think I'm going to wait until the season is over. Until then maybe i'll just root for the team to win.
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wut? you can only do one and not the other?

I really think it's possible to "root" for the team, and think about what comes next. In fact, I know it's possible because I'm doing it. Pretty sure if Portland somehow had a top-10 pick in the draft, there wouldn't be people virtue-signalling by telling people not to think about draft prospects
 
Natebishop3 said:
We have no idea what this team is capable of. Especially Dame and CJ. Go watch that clip where Beverley talks about Dame and our shitty coaching. We have never seen Dame or CJ with a different coach. Their entire careers have been with Stotts. How can I really say what this team is capable of until we see what they can do in a new system? How do we know what kind of defense this team could play until we have a coach who understands defense?

Is this team a contender with a new coach? Probably not. I have never loved the Dame/CJ pairing. But again, we have no idea.
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The start of both your paragraphs kinda contradict each other. I think most of us should have a very good idea of what this roster is capable. Under Stotts this duo has been a 1st/2nd round team with the one WCF run. Without a major change in it's #2/#3 options, I would bet anyone, the results will be in that exact same range under a new coach. Haven't met anyone who strongly believes otherwise and is willing to put something behind it.

We know, some just don't want to admit it.
 
Tince said:
The start of both your paragraphs kinda contradict each other. I think most of us should have a very good idea of what this roster is capable. Under Stotts this duo has been a 1st/2nd round team with the one WCF run. Without a major change in it's #2/#3 options, I would bet anyone, the results will be in that exact same range under a new coach. Haven't met anyone who strongly believes otherwise and is willing to put something behind it.

We know, some just don't want to admit it.
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If I asked Taylor Swift for a date she would probably say no...... but I have never asked, so how do I know for sure??????
 
Tince said:
The start of both your paragraphs kinda contradict each other. I think most of us should have a very good idea of what this roster is capable. Under Stotts this duo has been a 1st/2nd round team with the one WCF run. Without a major change in it's #2/#3 options, I would bet anyone, the results will be in that exact same range under a new coach. Haven't met anyone who strongly believes otherwise and is willing to put something behind it.

We know, some just don't want to admit it.
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we likely disagree on this, but I think Stotts should be fired. 9 years is long enough; actually 6 years was long enough

but we may agree that Stotts gets too much blame for Portland's mediocrity, however above average that mediocrity is. Simply replacing Stotts will NOT make Portland a contender. Thinking otherwise is blind homerism....IMO of course

Portland has a poorly balanced roster; that's obvious. A well-balanced roster would not be down to the Nuggets right now. And the worst balance for Portland is between high level talent and role-playing talent. Portland does not have enough of the former.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Melo's contract is irrelevant. He might be paid the minimum, but he is played like he's being paid $10 million. And while he has his moments, overall he has been a net negative.
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I strongly disagree that his (or any) contract is irrelevant. But you saying he getting paid the minimum but getting played like he makes $10m could easily be pointed to as a player who is a net positive.

I care more about what someone is getting paid and comparing it to their production. I'm not a Melo guy, but I think it would be real hard to make a strong, fact based case, that he's producing negative value based on his contract compared to other people on this roster. Should he be the 6th man on a contending roster? Heck no... but the roster failure isn't his fault.
 
Tince said:
I hope that's what most people think. However, there have been a lot of posts saying Stotts is holding us back, he's the worst coach in the league, and that this current roster is a contending roster. If people really believe that, then it's only reasonable to expect they assume a new coach will likely vault this contending roster into the WCF immediately.
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Hopefully, yes, but as you point out, it may take more than a season to alter the "defense is optional" culture.
 
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