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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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WesleyMatthews said:
Sure I'd like to have Simmons on the Blazers.

But I'm not trading 6 years of Blazer potential #1 overall picks for Ben, that could be a disaster for the next decade of Blazers teams. On top of that the report says they also want CJ.

Go Lakers?
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Realistically do you think we're going to be #1 overall pick bad?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I don't see this at all. The teams aren't negotiating over some small assets, but SIX unprotected potential #1 picks, far more than Houston got for Harden or the Pelicans got for Anthony Davis. Over double what Boston got from the Nets when they fleeced them for Tatum and Brown.

Is CJ a key player going to Philly? Maybe, or maybe they value him as the Pelicans valued Josh Hart and want the biggest boatload of picks ever traded to later flip for one or more additional all stars in follow up trades.

Morey is all about getting the best player in a deal and winning every trade. Is this report all just Morey trying to drum up interest from other teams?

Philly and Portland being this far apart makes me think there is no chance of a CJ for Simmons trade.
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Fact is that prior reports had Philly cotegorically rejecting the idea of any deal in which CJ was the primary player returned. The idea that a CJ-centric deal is no longer a non-starter is absolutely a significant development.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Fact is that prior reports had Philly cotegorically rejecting the idea of any deal in which CJ was the primary player returned. The idea that a CJ-centric deal is no longer a non-starter is absolutely a significant development.
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This was my takeaway too. That and the fact that the picks package is so obviously overreaching makes me think the likelihood of this happening in the near future is reasonably high now...

Morey's back is against a wall, and it's clear he's not getting the offers he thought he'd be able to get. Every day that he doesn't trade Simmons, he's both screwing over his own team on the court and diminishing BS's trade value. Meanwhile, while none of us love the Dame/CJ duo, they're both at least playing and positive contributors to the locker room culture.
 
THE HCP said:
I hear that, but you said you didn’t want him because him and Dame wouldn’t work well with each other……Shhhhhheeeeeiiiiiiitttttt! They would play so well off each other don’t you think?
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I didn't say that, in fact I think it has the potential to be a great duo much better than Dame and CJ.

I said there is risk that it MIGHT not work. In other words; its not an absolute guarantee the pairing will work great. The gamble of giving away all future Blazer draft picks is not worth it.
 
glazeduck said:
This was my takeaway too. That and the fact that the picks package is so obviously overreaching makes me think the likelihood of this happening in the near future is reasonably high now...

Morey's back is against a wall, and it's clear he's not getting the offers he thought he'd be able to get. Every day that he doesn't trade Simmons, he's both screwing over his own team on the court and diminishing BS's trade value. Meanwhile, while none of us love the Dame/CJ duo, they're both at least playing and positive contributors to the locker room culture.
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Yup. The line has moved. And in my opinion, Morey won't take this past the first week of the regular season. Don't want the players to turn on the organization. I think Ben will be moved toward the end of the month. They still have time. Let's do this!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup, the only time I have seen the league step in was when the Hornets were without true ownership to stop the CP3 trade. That's it.
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Because it was BS from the Hornets perspective, IIRC. There were better offers on the table.
 
I think this deal would work in December.

Outside of Wall being a Klutch client, I don't really see major hangups. Perhaps Morey would want more, but he's not gonna get more. Maybe the Cavs would make one of those that lotto firsts a second

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illmatic99 said:
I think this deal would work in December.

Outside of Wall being a Klutch client, I don't really see major hangups. Perhaps Morey would want more, but he's not gonna get more. Maybe the Cavs would make one of those that lotto firsts a second

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What's worse--I think that deal could actually work for Philly (though their defense would take a major hit)
 
illmatic99 said:
I think this deal would work in December.

Outside of Wall being a Klutch client, I don't really see major hangups. Perhaps Morey would want more, but he's not gonna get more. Maybe the Cavs would make one of those that lotto firsts a second

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Awful for Sixers. Why do they do this? Wall is an injury waiting to happen and hasn't been relevant for years.
 
AmirIcon said:
Awful for Sixers. Why do they do this? Wall is an injury waiting to happen and hasn't been relevant for years.
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I dont think they can actually get much better in a return. Sexton was great last yr. 24 ppg on great efficiency
 
I don't think you give up 3 1sts and 3 swaps but I'm perfectly fine if this franchise FINALLY wants to take a swing for the fences instead of the singles and doubles that Olshey is known for. Yes it's a gamble that could backfire but that's part of taking a risk. I'm so over the same season, over and over and over again. Yes we have a new coach but the players are largely the same and I'm expecting a pretty similar result, 5th to 9th seed, get bounced in the first round.
 
bigbailes said:
I don't think you give up 3 1sts and 3 swaps but I'm perfectly fine if this franchise FINALLY wants to take a swing for the fences instead of the singles and doubles that Olshey is known for. Yes it's a gamble that could backfire but that's part of taking a risk. I'm so over the same season, over and over and over again. Yes we have a new coach but the players are largely the same and I'm expecting a pretty similar result, 5th to 9th seed, get bounced in the first round.
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Bucks gave up 2 picks and 2 swaps plus salary filler for Holiday. Thats the template... Sorta. But holiday was their final piece. Not entirely certain Simmons is that for us.
 
THE HCP said:
Affect or Effect?
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Today's lesson:
AFFECT is either the verb to which effect is the noun "he was affected" = "it had an effect on him"
OR a noun meaning emotional display, as in "Mark Zuckerberg is very low affect."
(Also: "effect" can be a verb, meaning "bring about" as in "Trump tried to effect a coup")

Tomorrow's lesson: disinterested vs. uninterested

Advanced lesson: jealous vs. envious.
 
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illmatic99 said:
I think this deal would work in December.

Outside of Wall being a Klutch client, I don't really see major hangups. Perhaps Morey would want more, but he's not gonna get more. Maybe the Cavs would make one of those that lotto firsts a second

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If Wall gets traded I will eat my hat. If Wall gets traded to a team that doesn't currently have an albatross contract on its books I will eat my entire outfit.
 
bigbailes said:
I don't think you give up 3 1sts and 3 swaps but I'm perfectly fine if this franchise FINALLY wants to take a swing for the fences instead of the singles and doubles that Olshey is known for. Yes it's a gamble that could backfire but that's part of taking a risk. I'm so over the same season, over and over and over again. Yes we have a new coach but the players are largely the same and I'm expecting a pretty similar result, 5th to 9th seed, get bounced in the first round.
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I agree. Get him in here and make sure things are set up to maximize his value as much as possible. Worst case you have to rebuild and you have Dame AND Simmons to trade for a rebuild. You should be able to get a hell of a return by moving those two guys if. That is, if you can recoup Simmons' image.

But the main thing is, you have drastically improved the talent on this team. Possibly enough for a title.
 
I think the Sacramento Kings are still most likely to end up with Simmons just because of how good I think Davion Mitchell is going to be. He will either cause them to be ready to give up Morey's required price of one of Halliburton or (my choice) Fox, or Morey will be happy to get him. I think Mitchell is going to be the next Jimmy Butler type - turns himself into a great player by sheer force of will.
 
The Kings would be my guess too. They have the right kind of talented but not superstar pieces that make sense in return for a flawed star like Simmons, they (like Portland) can't really expect to land a marquee name in free agency so might be more willing to try to trade for one and if they end up trading Fox, they're not tied to a lead ball-handler or dominant post player that would prevent Simmons from operating to his strengths.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If Wall gets traded I will eat my hat. If Wall gets traded to a team that doesn't currently have an albatross contract on its books I will eat my entire outfit.
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i think wall gets traded, albeit later in the year.

come to think of it, i can probably remove houston altogether from that deal.
 
I'd give them CJ, two picks and swaps right now, if the idea was to install Simmons in a Giannis/Dray hybrid role on offense and have him be our defensive stopper. I actually don't see Nas getting much time if Ben, RoCo and Nance are here so I would try to make it CJ, Nas, one first rounder and two swaps... I think that is a great counter offer and makes us far more relevant than we currently are... especially watching Nurk knock down those threes in our first exhibition game.

I think the Shams report of Morey offering Simmons for a CJ package means it's only a matter of time before we land Simmons for CJ+ if Olshey is actually willing to part with CJ to make our team better.
 
illmatic99 said:
Bucks gave up 2 picks and 2 swaps plus salary filler for Holiday. Thats the template... Sorta. But holiday was their final piece. Not entirely certain Simmons is that for us.
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But we're also giving up a valuable player in CJ. Bucks gave up what, Bledsoe and hill? Which I think shifts the value back to maybe a pick and 2 swaps?
 
illmatic99 said:
Bucks gave up 2 picks and 2 swaps plus salary filler for Holiday. Thats the template... Sorta. But holiday was their final piece. Not entirely certain Simmons is that for us.
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That’s exactly the thing. Pushing your chips all in for Jrue because you know/believe he’s the final piece is great. If Portland gets Simmons and loses whoever they give up, they are not closer to winning a championship. They would need somehow to make another move or two - with less assets.
 
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