http://www.victoriataft.com/police-...ds-leo-stratton-who-reported-on-terror-group/ https://www.projectveritas.com/2018...ists-from-inside-cant-get-fired-leaks-at-hhs/ https://ilovemyfreedom.org/breaking-antifa-thugs-are-officially-under-investigation/ https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...ts/2015/12/16/dos-hrr_2008_czech-republic.pdf https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/...ening-boston-free-speech-rally-attendees-2017
Your reading list is certainly interesting, I'll give you that. What does the human rights report on the Czech Republic have to do with antifa? barfo
My younger brother-in-law was a good friend and a classmate of one of his sons. My brother-in-law lived in the laurelhurst neighborhood so I assumed Ivancie did too.
You are right, I thought Reed and Sellwood was part of Milwaukie. At any rate, I've already taken some pictures and will take more this weekend and post them for you to see what you seem to be missing.
Umm enforce the laws already in place for starters? No permit? Then no protest. hit a car with your fist or a stick and get arrested for vandalism. Simple as that. I would start by having him enforce the laws. I think that would bea GREAT start. You did watch the video of the car that a guy hit with a stick and then the camera panned to a cop on a bike down the street right? He was sitting right there and doing nothing. Yeah. Enforce the laws and take our streets back. I don't think that requires magic. I think it requires diligence.
I don't know. It's true that in this specific case, there wasn't a police response, but in general there has been a very heavy police presence during the protests downtown. Cops can't be everywhere instantly, and it's possible (I don't know the specifics) that they simply hadn't arrived on the scene in sufficient numbers yet. One cop isn't sufficient to take on a large group. I've seen many dozens of cops deployed in a relatively small area for these events, and there have been lots of arrests, so I don't buy that the laws aren't being enforced generally. barfo
Police presence doesn't mean law enforcement. It merely means presence. They were present in the video i am referencing as well. when one cop isn't sufficient, his instructions are to sit on his bike and watch? Not make a radio call? Not start warding off traffic from the scene? SO your idea of law enforcement is to have them present and ignore the violations, without one single act to help protect the innocent or call in for backup? How about when they forced Meyers to sit in traffic on the way to a game? who can he send a bill to for his time lost? The act of defending these criminals with the excuses I've heard are just pathetic. Break the law, and get arrested. Simple as that. IF it isn't that simple.. .well there is video evidence to hunt them down. Also, you would think by past experience that there would be enough enforcement for whatever gathering happens. are we not learning our lessons? Sorry I have a pretty hard stance on this. A wrong is a wrong and when it affects another, the wrongdoer should be punished. Period.
How do you know he hadn't already made the call and was waiting for backup to arrive? Maybe someone else was already setting up to do that down the block. It's hard to know from the video what might be happening elsewhere. No, I am just not convinced that's what was happening - it certainly isn't what happened at numerous other protests downtown. I am unaware of that incident, but it sounds like the blazers owe whoever blocked traffic some money, or at least thanks. I don't have any problem with arresting whoever breaks the law. I just disagree with you that that isn't already happening. barfo
Its actually pretty easy because the camera person shoots all over and almost does a 180 to se the cop then goes back to the action so you get almost a 360° view of the scene and he is the only cop to be seen a block away. This has actually specifically happened in several protests downtown. Most recently Thursday night I believe? Now that's funny! I'm not saying no one is getting arrested, I'm saying not nearly enough.
Ok - that may indeed be the case. Question: what effect does arresting people have? It removes that particular person from the scene that day, but does it quell the protest? Does it reduce the likelihood of that person protesting again? Is it a deterrent? Is it punishment? I'm not suggesting an answer to those questions, but it does seem to me that 'arrest the bad guys' may not solve the whole problem here. barfo
I am totally against crime downtown, and anyone who violates the law should be arrested, and that certainly includes antifa. Happy now? barfo
Really???? Well first it puts the individual in a database to track habitual offenders; repeat offenders. Keep it up and get a longer sentence. And yes, pulling them off the street and out of the scene may not solve the whole problem, but just because you cant solve the whole thing doesn't mean you just turn your back. You do what you can when you can and continue to work on solving the rest. I mean, we haven't been able to solve the mentally ill mass shootings right? SO we should just let them do their thing and turn our back right? There is SOOO much that can be done with regards to studying behavior of individuals to help better predict when they will act out. Then we can get ahead of the game and have police presence at an earlier stage of the game. There is a lot you can do.. just have to keep thinking of solutions instead of giving up and letting them run rampant.
Good point. Agreed - but if you can't do everything you should do what will have the biggest impact first, right? Maybe that isn't arresting the maximum number of people (since arrests take police off of crowd control, for example). Maybe it is, I'm no expert on police tactics. Agreed, that's exactly the sort of thing I was suggesting. I think we are in agreement here and we can cancel meeting up at Mt. Tabor for now. barfo
