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what contract will nurk get

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blazerkor said:
18M a year for a player that just underperformed at 12M per... that's fucking terrible. I am not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that's a terrible decision.
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he underperformed at 12? huh? he was the 115th highest paid player in the league last year and averaged 15/11 with good defense. And he woulda played 65-70 games had we not shut him down to tank.
 
illmatic99 said:
he underperformed at 12? huh? he was the 115th highest paid player in the league last year and averaged 15/11 with good defense. And he woulda played 65-70 games had we not shut him down to tank.
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I've explained this before. He may have earned a slight raise when he was on the floor but he just wasn't on the floor enough. The dude has been injured far too often. So given his overall production throughout the life of the deal he underperformed.
 
blazerkor said:
I've explained this before. He may have earned a slight raise when he was on the floor but he just wasn't on the floor enough. The dude has been injured far too often. So given his overall production throughout the life of the deal he underperformed.
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he had acute fluke injuries. nothing he had was truly degenerative. the way people talk about him, you'd think he was john wall getting 80+ mil to go away.
 
illmatic99 said:
he had acute fluke injuries. nothing he had was truly degenerative. the way people talk about him, you'd think he was john wall getting 80+ mil to go away.
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I think Nurk has value but he lacks the mobility needed in today's game to be truly elite. So, if Nurk signs for a contract that starts at 15M and increases from there, I won't be pissed. That's not a great deal for us but it's acceptable. I'm just worried that we'll go over that and it will be an overpay now that could look a lot worse as immobile bigs become less valuable.
 
blazerkor said:
I think Nurk has value but he lacks the mobility needed in today's game to be truly elite. So, if Nurk signs for a contract that starts at 15M and increases from there, I won't be pissed. That's not a great deal for us but it's acceptable. I'm just worried that we'll go over that and it will be an overpay now that could look a lot worse as immobile bigs become less valuable.
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we should not be expecting "truly elite" at 15-20 mil per year. you should expect a serviceable player with some strengths and some limitations -- that's Nurk.

And while Nurk might not have the speed to switch on the perimeter, he's also being asked to do so much on that end and compensate for at least three other teammates. I don't think everyone's favorite guy Robert Williams would be more impactful he switched places with Nurk next to all these other negative defenders.

Another sidebar, Nurk shot a career high from the field and had his best rebounding year last year.
 
He was hurting so shutting him down might have been a benefit to him.
Give him no more than he could get from another team.
Overpaying non superstars is a bad idea. Need to be able to trade his contract.
 
blazerfan11 said:
He was hurting so shutting him down might have been a benefit to him.
Give him no more than he could get from another team.
Overpaying non superstars is a bad idea. Need to be able to trade his contract.
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The evidence is there that they shut him down to tank. He was playing us into the playoffs!

And he is Dame's guy; their pick and roll is top notch. The Whiteside experiment should show you what a difference Nurk makes.

Trade?!? This has careful what you wish for written all over it...
 
Nurk is currently the 13th highest paid center @ 12m per year.
Stevens Adams 17.5
Valanciunas 15

My guess he's going to get 15-17 ? Should know in a couple days.
 
His 1st year salary is almost guaranteed to be over 14.4 million. We could have extended him last season starting at that number, for 4 more seasons. If he was taking that, it would already have been done, IMO.
 
RR7 said:
His 1st year salary is almost guaranteed to be over 14.4 million. We could have extended him last season starting at that number, for 4 more seasons. If he was taking that, it would already have been done, IMO.
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Good point. I wouldn't think its just one or two million over either. So probably at least 17 million if not 20 million starting salary.

So that gets him to 4/80 ish or more?
 
I actually think Nurk is about to break out into the best basketball of his career. He's more mature, and knows what works on the court. I went with 4 / 72 mil.
 
if we can get a 3 yr deal in place for nurk, that is a massive win for Joe.
 
i think nurk will announce his new contract once free agency opens

it will be #nurkbomb, not #wojbomb
 
Four years is too long for Nurk imo. I would be fine with paying 3 years/$50m if there was a TO in year 3.
 
BankTeller said:
Four years is too long for Nurk imo. I would be fine with paying 3 years/$50m if there was a TO in year 3.
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no player in his prime will take 3 year contract with 3rd year being team option, second contract is usually the most lucrative one

even 3 year contract with all years being fully guaranteed isnt something players in their prime accept, unless they have no better offers

be sure nurk will get big payday, otherwise he wouldnt accept to get shut down in a contract season right in the moment when he was playing best ball of his career
 
Graduate32 said:
I think many of you are setting yourselves up for extreme disappointment in both the Nurkic and Simons contract threads. I think the market value is higher for both players at the moment than many of you believe.
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So when it comes to trade value of our players we always over-value what we should get for them according to a lot around here. But, when it comes to free agency we always under-value what we should pay them.

Hmm interesting
 
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if Nurkic averaged 70-75 games/year he'd be worth 14-17M/yr. But, he's averaged 51 games/year
 
The Nurk we saw after the AS break but before he was shut down by the team was some the best ball I’d seen him play.

With that guy though I’m always fearful of a serious injury after i watched his leg snap in half that one time
 
illmatic99 said:
this seems arbitrary. is this based on any metric?
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it's guessing what salary a player is worth so of course it's arbitrary. The metric I'm using is that players who consistently miss lots of games, year after year, are worth less than players who don't

here's another arbitrary nugget: Blazers are 3-13 in the playoffs with Nurkic starting. Blazers are 8-8 with Kanter starting
 
wizenheimer said:
it's guessing what salary a player is worth so of course it's arbitrary. The metric I'm using is that players who consistently miss lots of games, year after year, are worth less than players who don't

here's another arbitrary nugget: Blazers are 3-13 in the playoffs with Nurkic starting. Blazers are 8-8 with Kanter starting
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Do you think that is a coincidence or is there something behind Nurkic not winning in the playoffs?
 
wizenheimer said:
it's guessing what salary a player is worth so of course it's arbitrary. The metric I'm using is that players who consistently miss lots of games, year after year, are worth less than players who don't

here's another arbitrary nugget: Blazers are 3-13 in the playoffs with Nurkic starting. Blazers are 8-8 with Kanter starting
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this can be done in a quantitative way instead of randomly pulling a number out of thin air like you did. Maybe we compare his VORP and win shares with other centers and see how he fares... Maybe that's what the team does
 
He's a double-double center who can pass, defend, is 28 and had the 33rd best PER last year in the NBA (for those qualifying). Those not wanting to go over 12/13 per year are deluding themselves. It's not 2016 anymore when you can sign LeBron James for 100m over 3 years, making him the only one over 30m that year. Next year there will be 40 players (and counting) making over 30m. I mean there's already a contract in existence that will result in a player getting 60m/yr by the end of it.

No matter what happens, just remember that Westbrook has a player option for 47 million... things could be worse.
 
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