Politics Paul Allen gives $500K to Washington gun initiative

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I'm noticing a common thread here of not reading the proposal before complaining about it.

    Section 3, paragraph 4(f)(v):

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Section 3, paragraph 4(c):

    and also excluded under section 4(f)(i):

    See previous post.

    If you weren't in the car, perhaps so. But then that would be your friend transporting your gun, not you.

    Seems kind of extreme to me.

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  3. MarAzul

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    I see a little differently. I see it as a list of infringements on the right to bear arms that supporters think they can get the public to go for.
    Next they will expand the list. They do this because actually changing the 2nd amendment of the constitution is deemed to be too difficult.
     
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    Yes. What this country needs is more rules and regulations.

    The death of common sense, indeed.
     
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    I don't see that the government has any business what so ever having any say or care who is a member of my family. None!
     
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    Leaving it to common sense when it comes to firearms. . . I wish it were that simple.
     
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    I agree that changing the 2nd amendment would be extremely difficult, so those in favor of gun control should try to do it through measures like this.
     
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    No. As PtldPlatypus already pointed out, that's a list of independent exceptions. Each lowercase Roman numeral is a separate exception.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Hunting consisted of about 10% of my post. What about the other 90% of my post?


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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    How many people are shot with legally obtained firearms? Because from what I can tell, these legislators are ignoring common sense by regulating guns in a way that won't do jack shit.


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    I don't see anything in the proposal that prevents you from going shooting in the woods with your buddies. Hope you clean up after yourselves after you do.

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    I don't have the stats, do you? Intuitively, I'd expect that quite a few people are shot by legal guns. We're not talking about stealthy assassins with black market sniper rifles in most of these cases. People who go shoot up public places and/or get into shoot-outs with cops aren't aiming for escaping detection. They don't need illegal guns.
     
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    This seems like a pretty common sense series of laws. I own guns, but I want to keep guns in the possession of responsible gun owners and out of the hands of criminals and people unwilling to take gun ownership seriously enough to learn a bit and pass a basics test.

    There are laws on the books that make no sense, like having 10 inch barrel be legal on a gun with a pistol grip but illegal on the same gun with a rifle stock. I say let's pass some common sense laws to keep guns in the hands of only those who legally should have them, and repeal stupid laws that only exist to provide roadblocks to legal and responsible owners
     
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    Really? The Clackamas town shooting was with a stolen rifle.

    Newtown? Stolen weapons.

    Reynolds? Stolen.

    Most gang shootings are with stolen or unregistered weapons, so unless we're talking about a domestic killing where a wife or husband shoots their spouse, I'm not sure what you're talking about when you mentioned people who go out and shoot public places or get into shoot-outs with the cops.

    How would this kind of legislation accomplish anything? People like to think they're making a difference. They want to feel like they're doing something. According to the FBI, 42 people died from firearms in 2012. By comparison, 21,370 people died from lung cancer in 2012. Why are we spending so much time focusing on something that accounts for such a tiny sliver of our state population?

    The 2013 population for Oregon was put at around 3,930,065. So cigarettes legally kill 21,000 Oregonians every year, but we're worried about 42 people killed by a specific weapon?
     
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    Sooooooo, if you are at my house and someone breaks in...I give you my gun. You kill the intruder...cops show up and you still have the gun, I'm in trouble? You are? Both of us?

    I give you my gun, you kill the intruder. Then you tell me you are a registered sex offender because you nailed your 15 year old girlfriend when you were 17 and are a convicted felon. ..whoops, now I broke the law?????

    I didn't read a word of it by the way, other than what was posted here.
     
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    Those are some crazy fact senarios:

    Why would you give your gun to your friend?

    I say protect your friend . . . unless he is a sex offender, then shoot him yourself.



    What if I'm out in the woods with a friend and we are hunting but he didn't bring a gun and a bear cub charges him and I'm too busy taking a dump so I throw him my gun while the bear is nibbling his toe and he shots at the bear and shoots himself in the foot. Do I get in trouble?
     
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    There are 18 year olds who are sex offenders for sleeping with their 17 year old girl friends. Would you shoot them?
     
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    I'm not sure your numbers are right.

    maybe the FBI isn't good at counting.

    According to the American Cancer Society, the number of deaths in Oregon due to lung & bronchial cancer was 2,120 in 2012.

    THe 21,370 number is the number of new cancer (all types) cases (not deaths) for the year.

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    I certainly wouldn't give them my gun . . . might shoot them if it was my 17 yr old daughter, but not if it was my 17 yr old son.
     
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    The FBI isn't counting firearm related deaths. They're counting homicides. That's the whole point, right? We're not talking about suicides or accidents. The whole point of this kind of legislation is to prevent people from killing others?
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...ime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/20tabledatadecpdf

    So even at 2,120, we're talking about significantly more people than 42. Hell, there were 37 murders related to knifes and other objects.
     

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