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Technically, yes the president can de-classify anything. But if an ally shares information with the express request that it go no further, and the president decides to spout off to an unfriendly country, that ally and others may think twice, or three times, or four times, before sharing information again.

What McMaster said, specifically, was NOT that classified or sensitive information was not shared; he said that Trump did not reveal sources or methods. Very specific. But experts, which none of us are, have said that enough information was revealed so a good intelligence service would be able to deduce source.

And the only reason we know was that Russian media, but not American, was allowed into a meeting. The meeting in itself was unusual. Generally a foreign minister meets with the secretary of state, the US counterpart, not the president. And not only the foreign minister, the ambassador, who has been specifically named as the contact for numerous people in the Trump administration, campaign, and transition (including attorney general Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, who lied about that under oath during his confirmation; I doubt his announced tough-on-crime measures cover lying under oath to the Senate).

And also reportedly Trump had this unusual meeting and let in Russian media because Putin asked him to.

I certainly agree the Trump/Russia story has gone on and on and on. That is why an independent investigation is needed, to get the facts.

As for how Trump supporters keep backing him no matter what. My opinion, there are some "family Republicans" who always vote Republican even if the nominee was not their preference. (And yes, there are "family Democrats" as well.) There were disaffected people who thought he would bring back jobs. But a lot of his support was not based on any policy because he really had none. His only consistent planks were all unconstitutional - ban Muslims, make Mexico pay for a wall, and throw Hillary Clinton into jail. IMO he was elected by those who want to put white men back in charge, who felt that having a Black president was bad enough but a woman was an abomination. The all-male, all-white photo-ops are not tone deaf, they are playing to a base who sees all these white men and cheer. No more press 2 for Spanish. No more saying he or she. No more gay people getting married. Who cares about Russia, or the environment, or losing health care, or jobs, or getting rid of public schools?
 
Donald Trump is failing at a job he was never prepared to take on......dump Trump..sooner the better....I thought maybe he'd turn it around and let the adults in the room keep things stable but he's not capable of doing that....great post crandc.....I think tax breaks for the wealthy are why he's prez now and easing of environmental regulations...it's apparent his fan base is only profit driven. Fuck the disabled, seniors, environment, educators, health of our children, etc...we're going to MAKE SOME MONEY!!! To some....money is everything...all that matters.
 
Okay Denny, what would be a source that you would actually find credible enough to believe?

I'm asking for a friend.
 
Maybe he just forgot, like how Reagan forgot about the Contras.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Okay Denny, what would be a source that you would actually find credible enough to believe?

I'm asking for a friend.
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at this point I doubt trump swearing under oath that he did something would convince Denny.
 
I get being skeptical of the press, I really do.

But taking trumps tweets as word for word gospel? Holy shit lol.
 
Trump is like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

"I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it. He eats breakfast 300 yards away from 4000 Cubans that are trained to kill him. And nobody's going to tell him how to run his unit least of all the Harvard mouth in his faggoty white uniform. I need to shake him, put him on the defensive and lead him right where he's dying to go."
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Trumps mouthpieces and his twitter feed are spin for the idiot masses. How someone could think that it isn't also "fake news" escapes me.

Like I said before, people don't like to admit they were wrong, but they REALLY don't like to admit they were fooled. And that goes for both sides.
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There's a way around this.... be hyper skeptical of everything and everybody.

I never bought into Trump because the dude seemed like a con man. He would say whatever he needed to say to get elected, and people just ate that shit up. What I don't understand is how people can just pretend like the ridiculous persona from reality TV doesn't even exist. It's not like we're dealing with some respectable businessman here. The guy would pretty much do anything for money.

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crandc said:
Technically, yes the president can de-classify anything. But if an ally shares information with the express request that it go no further, and the president decides to spout off to an unfriendly country, that ally and others may think twice, or three times, or four times, before sharing information again.

What McMaster said, specifically, was NOT that classified or sensitive information was not shared; he said that Trump did not reveal sources or methods. Very specific. But experts, which none of us are, have said that enough information was revealed so a good intelligence service would be able to deduce source.

And the only reason we know was that Russian media, but not American, was allowed into a meeting. The meeting in itself was unusual. Generally a foreign minister meets with the secretary of state, the US counterpart, not the president. And not only the foreign minister, the ambassador, who has been specifically named as the contact for numerous people in the Trump administration, campaign, and transition (including attorney general Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, who lied about that under oath during his confirmation; I doubt his announced tough-on-crime measures cover lying under oath to the Senate).

And also reportedly Trump had this unusual meeting and let in Russian media because Putin asked him to.

I certainly agree the Trump/Russia story has gone on and on and on. That is why an independent investigation is needed, to get the facts.

As for how Trump supporters keep backing him no matter what. My opinion, there are some "family Republicans" who always vote Republican even if the nominee was not their preference. (And yes, there are "family Democrats" as well.) There were disaffected people who thought he would bring back jobs. But a lot of his support was not based on any policy because he really had none. His only consistent planks were all unconstitutional - ban Muslims, make Mexico pay for a wall, and throw Hillary Clinton into jail. IMO he was elected by those who want to put white men back in charge, who felt that having a Black president was bad enough but a woman was an abomination. The all-male, all-white photo-ops are not tone deaf, they are playing to a base who sees all these white men and cheer. No more press 2 for Spanish. No more saying he or she. No more gay people getting married. Who cares about Russia, or the environment, or losing health care, or jobs, or getting rid of public schools?
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> With all that happened internally, Trump loses the element of timing by inviting them for a private conference and co inviting their media by Putin's request. I would think delegation is a master principal for running an efficient business model. Apparently, Trump wants credit for being the omnipotent leader. The proper channels should have been followed through CIA or NSA appointees related to this subject matter. We must admit that Trump is really self absorbed and cares more about himself than the country. The Comey firing procedure and his backlash against him are proof to me.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/...rump-classified-intelligence-russia.html?_r=0

“What the president discussed with the foreign minister was wholly appropriate to that conversation and is consistent with the routine sharing of information between the president and any leaders with whom he’s engaged,” General McMaster said at a White House briefing, seeking to play down the sensitivity of the information Mr. Trump disclosed.

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Former officials said it was not uncommon for presidents to unintentionally say too much in meetings and said that in administrations from both parties, staff members typically established bright lines for their bosses to avoid crossing before such meetings.
 
I believe the people in the room, until they're proven liars.
 
“I stand by my statement that I made yesterday,” National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster told reporters at a White House briefing on Tuesday. “What I’m saying is that the premise of that article was false.”
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/...rump-classified-intelligence-russia.html?_r=0

Israeli officials would not confirm that they were the source of the information that Mr. Trump shared. In a statement emailed to The New York Times, Ron Dermer, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, reaffirmed that the two countries would maintain a close counterterrorism relationship.

“Israel has full confidence in our intelligence-sharing relationship with the United States and looks forward to deepening that relationship in the years ahead under President Trump,” Mr. Dermer said.
 
Denny Crane said:
“I stand by my statement that I made yesterday,” National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster told reporters at a White House briefing on Tuesday. “What I’m saying is that the premise of that article was false.”
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So do you actually think that a guy who works for Trump is going to come out and say the story is true? Really?

I asked you before, what's a credible news source that you would actually trust? Because I find it ludicrous that you are only willing to trust the word of someone FROM the Trump administration.

That's like believing the PR guy for big tobacco who says that cigarettes aren't addictive. :lol:
 
Denny Crane said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/...rump-classified-intelligence-russia.html?_r=0

Israeli officials would not confirm that they were the source of the information that Mr. Trump shared. In a statement emailed to The New York Times, Ron Dermer, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, reaffirmed that the two countries would maintain a close counterterrorism relationship.

“Israel has full confidence in our intelligence-sharing relationship with the United States and looks forward to deepening that relationship in the years ahead under President Trump,” Mr. Dermer said.
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Of course they would say this shit publicly. They're not idiots.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So do you actually think that a guy who works for Trump is going to come out and say the story is true? Really?

I asked you before, what's a credible news source that you would actually trust? Because I find it ludicrous that you are only willing to trust the word of someone FROM the Trump administration.

That's like believing the PR guy for big tobacco who says that cigarettes aren't addictive. :lol:
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Yes, really.

I have no reason to think the guy is lying. Yet.

I do have proof the media is out to get the administration and that they've run with completely false stories all along. The two most recent were the threatened resignation of the deputy atty general and the Comey request for more funding. This is looking like a 3rd smear that's being proven wrong.

"Credible news source" is an oxymoron.

I would consider it credible if "unnamed sources" were named and "former officials" weren't given much weight.
 
kingslayer said:
Of course they would say this shit publicly. They're not idiots.
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It contradicts the news media's narrative of the past 48 hours.

Completely.

They didn't have to say anything at all.
 
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