OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

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  1. Denny Crane

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    If he renounced his citizenship and moved to France, is the oath still binding?

    Way more complex an issue than you think.
     
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    what was the oath so we can dissect the semantics?
     
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    Would you classify locking your door as "cowardice" or "a decision based upon fear"?
     
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    Situation would have been the same (had France been at war with the US).

    It's not that complicated. He's not a hero. He waged a losing war against the US. I like generals who don't make war on the US.

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    His oath to the Union was made as a citizen of Virginia. Before secession, people were citizens of their state first, the Union second.
     
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    Hmm. I'd be interested to read about the legal reasoning there, but in any case it doesn't much matter. The end result is the same, he waged war on the USA, no different than any other general in an enemy army.

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    in a letter to a friend he wrote about the concept of waging war on friends and family in Virginia reasoning his resignation, up until then he had been offered the position of commander of the union armies. Lincoln need not have accepted his resignation and could have had him imprisoned legally,
    but the rest is history
     
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    It's not. Black people are born black with no choice in the matter.
     
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    I dump that stuff out about once a month.
     
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    Same question applies to owning a gun.
     
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    I say we immediately remove all statues of Steven Seagal
     
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    Hitler was a coward. And a Nazi. I think he was into nasty sexual acts that I don't even wanna know about. Pretty sure he liked to stomp cute little bunnies to death.

    What, he's not here to defend himself?

    Nevermind.
     
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    It's ok Denny, you can still go to your Civil War battle re-enactment camps every year and wear the rebel grey....mad cow and all!
     
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    Does it matter?

    He was no longer a citizen of the United States. His state, which he was loyal to (everyone was loyal to their state, not the US), was in the Confederate States.
     
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    If I never locked it before?
     
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    absolutely not, absurd
     
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    Because you say so?

    OK, you win.

    Think about anyone who joined our military in the past 50 years and renounces their citizenship and moves to France, like I asked. What difference, at that point, does their oath matter?

    Do tell.
     
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    I agreed with you it doesn't matter.
    I don't know how to green font or the post about semantics would have been
     
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