Politics Who is the best Republican president between Donald Trump and Abraham Lincoln?

Jules, the crux of the OP was to illustrate the state of the GOP and while "53% is a ridiculous number, even if it were say "only" 15% of GOP apologists that believe that Trump is a better POTUS than Lincoln was, it would still be laughable.

 

The more I learn about JFK, the more I think he was probably the last decent president we had.

 

Ok, you can explain the meaning now.

But before you do, consider these facts.
Lincoln ordered the invasion of the South when he sent troops to occupy Fort Sumter.
That is an act of war.
He sent ships to Blockade Charleston Harbor.
That is an act of war.

So in starting the Civil war by his ordered acts of war, he began a war that killed more of his countryman than any war in US history.

No other President has cause the death of so many. It is not even close when you count the deaths due to the war, as percentage of the Population of the US at the time of the war.
Which President has done more harm to this Nation?

Look at the plan in today's numbers. Say it were Trump starting a war in this country
over a minority population of less than 4 million people.

No peaceful plan found so we are going to war for a resolution. The cost will be about $1T and
around 11,000,000 of our countrymen will lose their lives.

Who among us would not tell the son of bitch to scrap that plan immediately? It might even warrant impeachment next week.

 

I know you were replying to Jules, but once again, Lincoln did not "start" the Civil War...you need to go back several years and look at the events that led up to it.
Sorry, but it seems you are going completely overboard just to suit your narative.

 

Naw.
Fort Sumter had been abandon for years, never completed. The US Army occupied the old fort after South Carolina succeeded from the Union. The fort, on and island in Charleston harbor actually began then as part of an undeclared blockade. Lincoln sent resupply ships to the fort in April 1861 and began the Union Blockade of the South at that time also. All acts of war. Then the South Carolina opened up on Sumter, which historian claim as the start of war, ignoring the original acts of war already committed on Lincoln's orders. Illogical in my view to ignor invading the territory of the south and Blockading it too, both, recognized in international law as acts of war.

Lincoln attempted to say the Southern states were rogue states not a separate country, therefore invasion and Blockades were not an act of war. Well hell, what sort of bullshit is that? If true then where the hell did he get Constitutional authority to do any of the shit he ordered in making war?

The South had been gone from the Union since the prior year before Lincoln started his war!


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TheUnion blockadein the American Civil War was a naval strategy by the United Statesto prevent the Confederacy from trading.

The blockade was proclaimed by President Abraham Lincoln in April 1861, and required the monitoring of 3,500 miles (5,600 km) of Atlantic and Gulf coastline, including 12 major ports, notably New Orleans andMobile. Those blockade runners fast enough to evade the Union Navy could only carry a small fraction of the supplies needed. They were operated largely byBritishcitizens, making use of neutral ports such asHavana,NassauandBermuda. The Union commissioned around 500 ships, which destroyed or captured about 1,500 blockade runners over the course of the war."


Stop the South from trading!
Lincoln wanted them to pay the super high tariffs the tyrants in the North imposed on the stuff the South used. That is why the bugger went to war.

 

Pro-Tump, Anti-Lincoln. He probably loves Almond Joys and Fruitcakes.

 

I told you not to share that photo of Uncle Bob.

 

What about Carter? Are you saying that Carter wasn't decent?

 

Held by the Union indeed. An island in South Carolina. That would be about like us today, occupying Corregidor again and expecting the Philippines to like it.

These two quotes can not be both true,

If he never recognized the nation then a blockade is all kinds of wrong.
Quartering troops in homes of citizens is a direct violation of the Third amendment
Ceasing property without compensation. Wrong again.

Killing your citizens with federal troops is way out of bounds in every State.

Worst yet, he has no authority to stop a State from seceding. California has been talking of just this the past year. Should we go to war over it it they actually declare it?

 

It was extremely indecent to give away the Panama Canal. You ought to see what they want now for a small boat to go through that facility. It is about the same as for a large Container ship.

 

And the whole Iran thing....

 

Come on now. Federal troops did not occupy Sumter until after SC seceded. The South did no war like act until Lincoln pushed them into it. Just like if we occupied Corregidor again and sent a fleet to back them up.
The South would have left without a war. The natural progression of man would have eliminated Slavery on about the same schedule that it happen in the western world in the South as well no doubt.
Lincoln did not have the foresight to see beyond the brim of his tall hat! He went to war, provoked what was not needed. Killing more Americans than any other war ever has by a wide margin.

He damn well should have just let them go, just like I would hope we let California go if they wish. Take them back when they come to their senses.

Btw
His oath it to;
"preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
not the country.

A huge fail.