Blazers Wanting Vets?

[Sedatedfork]

Boston Globe

At the bottom of this page there is an indication that Blazers want to trade young players for veterans so they don't have to pay the young players big contracts. Not sure if I believe the reason for the trade inquiries, but I guess Outlaw, Frye, Blake and Diogu all have contracts expiring in the next two years.

 

[Nate4Prez]

Boston Globe

At the bottom of this page there is an indication that Blazers want to trade young players for veterans so they don't have to pay the young players big contracts. Not sure if I believe the reason for the trade inquiries, but I guess Outlaw, Frye, Blake and Diogu all have contracts expiring in the next two years.

I love how sports writers never have to provide sources, on like any other form of media.

An NBA source said the Trail Blazers seem interested in moving some of their deep young talent for veterans, to add experience and to spare them from having to pay big contracts down the road

 

[NJNetz]

There were some rumors about acquiring Jason Kidd.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1767568#post1767568

 

[Nate4Prez]

There were some rumors about acquiring Jason Kidd.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1767568#post1767568

Actually, that article says we didnt inquire about kid.

"However, it's factually flawed as well as logically unsound. According to a Mavericks source, the Blazers have not inquired about Kidd's availability;"

 

[MaxaMillion711]

on blazers podcasts, they keep mentioning shawn marion and vince carter as vets to aquire realistically. the 2nd of those options would be a dream come true

 

[Nate4Prez]

on blazers podcasts, they keep mentioning shawn marion and vince carter as vets to aquire realistically. the 2nd of those options would be a dream come true

Either of those players would be a significant upgrade. I just wonder about both players attitudes when the team is losing.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Jason Kidd is the obvious choice, IMO.

He makes everyone on his team better. It'll be interesting too to see how Brandon's game develops next to a true PG like Jason Kidd.

We can throw them Raef, and anyone outside the obvious (including Batum and Bayless). His trade value isn't where it was and they shouldn't ask for everything and the kitchen sink. The Mavs did have a ton of interest in Petteri Koponen this summer.

 

[Ed O]

Either of those players would be a significant upgrade. I just wonder about both players attitudes when the team is losing.

Both players are coming from situations where the team is going to lose at least as many games as the Blazers this year... and if we added either of these guys to the starting lineup, I think they'd be excited at the near-term (as well as long-term) prospects of the team.

I don't see either of these guys as a "dream come true", personally, but I'd definitely move Outlaw + Raef for either... no more than that, though.

Ed O.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I don't see KP dealing the following players:

*Greg Oden
*Brandon Roy
*LaMarcus Aldridge
*Rudy Fernandez
*Jerryd Bayless
*Nicolas Batum

I think everyone else is up for grabs, including draft picks and stashed players overseas (Koponen, Freeland).

 

[Sedatedfork]

I don't see KP dealing the following players:

*Greg Oden
*Brandon Roy
*LaMarcus Aldridge
*Rudy Fernandez
*Jerryd Bayless
*Nicolas Batum

I think everyone else is up for grabs, including draft picks and stashed players overseas (Koponen, Freeland).

I would add Joel to the list. We can ill afford to deal Joel right now.

 

[Nate4Prez]

I would add Joel to the list. We can ill afford to deal Joel right now.

Agreed. Joel is not gong anywhere, I dont think even when Oden gets healthy we can afford to move him.

 

[Sedatedfork]

And I don't think we can trade Webster that easily -- given his recent extension. I don't know the CBA that well, but he is now a BYC player, isn't that true?

 

[MaxaMillion711]

I don't see either of these guys as a "dream come true", personally, but I'd definitely move Outlaw + Raef for either... no more than that, though.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=454~2015~136&teams=17~17~22&te=&cash=

that is the deal I always thought would help both teams. Nets get clear cap space for lebron and a very nice piece in Outlaw. and Portland gets a guy who they could count on for some scoring and who is a willing passer and true team player. for those who actually watch vince in jersey, most agree he has been the utmost professional there and has barely missed any games. over the past 4 years, hes missed 14 games, tied for fifth among the league. I think that would help both teams

 

[Ed O]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=454~2015~136&teams=17~17~22&te=&cash=

that is the deal I always thought would help both teams. Nets get clear cap space for lebron and a very nice piece in Outlaw. and Portland gets a guy who they could count on for some scoring and who is a willing passer and true team player. for those who actually watch vince in jersey, most agree he has been the utmost professional there and has barely missed any games. over the past 4 years, hes missed 14 games, tied for fifth among the league. I think that would help both teams

Yep. Make it happen.

Ed O.

 

[drexlersdad]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=454~2015~136&teams=17~17~22&te=&cash=

that is the deal I always thought would help both teams. Nets get clear cap space for lebron and a very nice piece in Outlaw. and Portland gets a guy who they could count on for some scoring and who is a willing passer and true team player. for those who actually watch vince in jersey, most agree he has been the utmost professional there and has barely missed any games. over the past 4 years, hes missed 14 games, tied for fifth among the league. I think that would help both teams

alot of people are against vc, but i think he would be a mojor upgrade at the sf spot. people still cling to his injury history, but he has been more than reliable in new jersey, and is still a great scorer and passer, as well as a great halcourt scoring option. i dont think he has ever played with as much talent as is ontland right now, and would be extremely motivated to prove all his doubters wrong and lead the blazers deep into the playoffs.

that being said, i think nj would want a little more for him at this point though.

 

[MAS RipCity]

I'd do Martell, Channing, Raef for Vince
Travis takes over as backup PF
PG-Bayless/Sergio/Blake
SG-Roy/Rudy
SF-Vince/Batum
PF-LMA/Trav/Randolph
C-Oden/Joel/Ike

I really like that 2nd unit..the only thing about vince is his contract..4 more years remaining..yikes

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I think some of you are crazy for wanting Vince.

He has four years left on a hefty contract. Since when was he considered a leader?

Vince would have been a good addition 6 years ago. Today? I don't think so.

 

[MaxaMillion711]

alot of people are against vc, but i think he would be a mojor upgrade at the sf spot. people still cling to his injury history, but he has been more than reliable in new jersey, and is still a great scorer and passer, as well as a great halcourt scoring option. i dont think he has ever played with as much talent as is ontland right now, and would be extremely motivated to prove all his doubters wrong and lead the blazers deep into the playoffs.

that being said, i think nj would want a little more for him at this point though.

vince has never played with a good low post presence either. Antonio Davis? Jason Collins? Hes always the focus on the defense.

If you pair vince with Oden and Aldrige, Roy and Vince would be deadly and teams would have to pick their poison.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=454~2015~136&teams=17~17~22&te=&cash=

that is the deal I always thought would help both teams. Nets get clear cap space for lebron and a very nice piece in Outlaw. and Portland gets a guy who they could count on for some scoring and who is a willing passer and true team player. for those who actually watch vince in jersey, most agree he has been the utmost professional there and has barely missed any games. over the past 4 years, hes missed 14 games, tied for fifth among the league. I think that would help both teams

How many firsts do the Nets get in that deal? 4? 5?


You need to add in 1 of Rudy or Bayless plus a lotto protected first for that to be plausible.

 

[Foulzilla]

I think Vince would actually fit in pretty well here. Despite his flaws, he's a very good scorer who is not selfish. However, I don't see the Nets trading him for so little. Even if they want the cap space, I suspect they can get more for him. Plus, he's a big draw for ticket sales which I'm sure the management likes in Jersey.

He's not my ideal choice, but for the right price could really help the team.

 

[e_blazer]

And I don't think we can trade Webster that easily -- given his recent extension. I don't know the CBA that well, but he is now a BYC player, isn't that true?

A player becomes subject to the Base Year Compensation rule if his new contract is for more than a 20% increase over what he was paid in his previous contract. According to Storyteller's website, Webster's increase is less than 20%, so he won't be a BYC player and could be traded any time.

 

[SpanishFly]

I think Vince would actually fit in pretty well here. Despite his flaws, he's a very good scorer who is not selfish. However, I don't see the Nets trading him for so little. Even if they want the cap space, I suspect they can get more for him. Plus, he's a big draw for ticket sales which I'm sure the management likes in Jersey.

He's not my ideal choice, but for the right price could really help the team.

How many teams can afford him who have capspace or a big expiring?

 

[Sedatedfork]

A player becomes subject to the Base Year Compensation rule if his new contract is for more than a 20% increase over what he was paid in his previous contract. According to Storyteller's website, Webster's increase is less than 20%, so he won't be a BYC player and could be traded any time.

Ok -- thanks -- makes the deal even better from a salary cap stance then. No caphold -- and you can still trade Webster this year if you want to.

 

[B-Roy]

I think some of you are crazy for wanting Vince.

He has four years left on a hefty contract. Since when was he considered a leader?

Vince would have been a good addition 6 years ago. Today? I don't think so.

He doesn't need to be a leader. Roy is our leader, as long as VC accepts that, I think he'd be great.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The spot we really need to upgrade at is not SF, it's the PG spot we really need to prioritize.

Jason Kidd is the vet we really need to bring in. He can still play at a high level! If he doesn't work out, no biggie, his contract expires at the end of the season. If VC doesn't work out we still have to pay four years for a declining player.

Just say no to Vince Carter.

 

[Ed O]

The spot we really need to upgrade at is not SF, it's the PG spot we really need to prioritize.

Jason Kidd is the vet we really need to bring in. He can still play at a high level! If he doesn't work out, no biggie, his contract expires at the end of the season. If VC doesn't work out we still have to pay four years for a declining player.

Just say no to Vince Carter.

Ugh. Not Jason Kidd. He'd be a poor fit for this team, given his poor shooting and his age. I can't see a situation where acquiring a 35 year-old would be a good move right now.

Further, the Mavs aren't just going to hand Kidd over for free, since he's an expiring contract, Dallas just gave up value to get him last season, AND the team still is threatening to make a splash in the playoffs.

Part of the reason for acquiring Carter is that he would presumably come relatively cheaply. The Nets are rebuilding and VC might not make sense to keep around.

Ed O.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I've been really leary of the Vinsanity trade ideas, but if he'd be amenable to the trade and the Nets want to get it done then I'd do the trade proposed by Maxamillion in a heartbeat. Travis is no scrub and would provide the Nets with some actual value along with Raef's bargain-basement priced, 80% insured contract, in turn the Blazers get a guy who can rebound, get above the rim, and would inject a serious dose of veteran savvy and toughness.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The reason why I think Jason Kidd is a great fit for this team is the same reason why Jerry Calangelo viewed Kidd as the most important player on his team - you need player like Kidd when your team is an average of 23 years old. It's like having another coach on the floor.

His age is a concern but he doesn't rely on his athleticism. Coach K chimed in about Kidd's IQ:

Inside Kidd's shaved dome, there must be algorithms of passing angles and variables of equations burned into his synapses. "His mind is his best talent," Krzyzewski says. "And his ability to instinctively react to situations on the court is at the highest level, as high as anyone who has ever played the game."

Krzyzewski compares Kidd's basketball IQ to Magic Johnson's, who was Kidd's idol growing up in California.

"What's fabulous for our team is if you put Kobe, Carmelo and LeBron in the game, you need a point guard who's really just looking to facilitate and that's what Jason does," says assistant coach Jim Boeheim. "Other great point guards have a scoring portion of their game, some of them have it as a large portion of their game, whereas Jason never needs to take a shot."

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Vince puts up hollow stats, kinda like what Iverson is doing in Denver. Both players aren't as effective as they used to be, not even close.

Another reason why Vince is a bad option:

08-09: $15,200,000

09-10: $16,300,000

10-11: $17,300,000

 

[BlayZa]

i agree the PG spot is the biggest concern, we need a floor general - people are saying roy is playing that leader role but he's still learning the game and the processes in leading a team, ideally we need a vet leader who can make changes on the fly and make some things happen.

so what are realistic options?

andre miller?
billups?
kidd?
hinrich?