Our ridiculous logjam at guard

[Natebishop3]

PG - Dame/Baldwin
SG - CJ/Curry/Stauskas/Simons/Trent

That's not even counting Turner as a guard.

Nearly half our roster are guards, and only two of them are capable of running an offense. And the crappy part is that most, if not all, deserve playing time.

Dame - no explanation necessary

CJ - no explanation necessary

WB4 - I would love to see more of this guy. I think he has a lot of potential. I love his defense and his swagger.

Curry - The guy seemed to really click with the Mavs. 13 ppg on 48% shooting and 42.5% from three. Could be a very nice player off the bench.

Stauskas - honestly the only player from the group that I have zero interest in.

Simons - I want to see this kid get some minutes and grow.

Trent - I think he could contribute right away. He strikes me as an Allen Crabbe that actually has some fire and drive.

There's just simply no way we're going to have this many guards on the active roster. Especially since our front court seems so thin.

Aminu/Collins? Swanigan?
Nurk/Collins? Swanigan? Meyers?

Trade coming soon?

 

[Orion Bailey]

We need to trade REALLY sooon though dont we?

 

[blue9]

Neil is setting the team up for a CJ trade.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Neil is setting the team up for a CJ trade.

Well if he does, there will be some here who have begged for him to be traded that will still be on NO's ass because then he would have lied... right?

I kinda hope you are right though.

 

[Scalma]

Neil is setting the team up for a CJ trade.

Logic would suggest that but Neil is probably more likely to trade Trent for some old white guy like Korver.

 

[riverman]

PG - Dame/Baldwin
SG - CJ/Curry/Stauskas/Simons/Trent

That's not even counting Turner as a guard.

Nearly half our roster are guards, and only two of them are capable of running an offense. And the crappy part is that most, if not all, deserve playing time.

Dame - no explanation necessary

CJ - no explanation necessary

WB4 - I would love to see more of this guy. I think he has a lot of potential. I love his defense and his swagger.

Curry - The guy seemed to really click with the Mavs. 13 ppg on 48% shooting and 42.5% from three. Could be a very nice player off the bench.

Stauskas - honestly the only player from the group that I have zero interest in.

Simons - I want to see this kid get some minutes and grow.

Trent - I think he could contribute right away. He strikes me as an Allen Crabbe that actually has some fire and drive.

There's just simply no way we're going to have this many guards on the active roster. Especially since our front court seems so thin.

Aminu/Collins? Swanigan?
Nurk/Collins? Swanigan? Meyers?

Trade coming soon?

you left Harkless and Layman off your list...both guys can play the 3-4
Layman Harkless Aminu Leonard Swanigan..Nurk..Collins....that's 7 guys....all can play in the frontcourt..7 players is one under half the roster...don't see the imbalance you infer here. Looks to me that we're gong to play a lot of small ball and run a lot more.

 

[Natebishop3]

To expand on it further:

6'3-6'4:

Dame - 6'3
CJ - 6'4
Simons - 6'4
Baldwin - 6'4
Curry - 6'2

6'6-6'7:

Trent - 6'6
Turner - 6'7
Stauskas - 6'6

 

[Natebishop3]

you left Harkless and Layman off your list...both guys can play the 3-4
Layman Harkless Aminu Leonard Swanigan..Nurk..Collins....that's 7 guys....all can play in the frontcourt..7 players is one under half the roster...don't see the imbalance you infer here. Looks to me that we're gong to play a lot of small ball and run a lot more.

You don't see an imbalance when literally a third of our roster is 6'4 and under?

Harkless and Layman might be able to play the four in a pinch, but they're not power forwards. There's a reason why Aminu can handle that position and it's because of his length.

Furthermore, we lost our only dependable backup big man. Collins is a project. Biggie has shown zero evidence that he can play in the NBA. Summer league? Maybe. G league? Sure. Actual rotation minutes in the NBA? Nope. Meyers is our elder statesman in the front court for pete's sake.

 

[riverman]

You don't see an imbalance when literally a third of our roster is 6'4 and under?

We have 3 7 footers...Aminu has a freakish wingspan matching Nurks….no....I don't see it as imbalance...I see increased speed and better shooting....we lost Bazz...a shrimp...Connoughton..a tweener and Big Ed...and undersized center....the imbalance is not recognizing Mo and Jake as forwards who can step into that 4 spot....Turner is not small either....the Warriors didn't have much size over the last few years. We could have kept Pappa G and not signed Baldwin if you think a 4th 7 footer makes us balanced....we made the right choice....playoff time you need 9 rotation players...maybe 10...who sits on the bench is a practice body beyond that

 

[Eastoff]

There were* a lot of times when we played 3 guards on the court last year. I'd expect more of that.

 

[riverman]

Turner Chief Mo Layman Harkless and Swanigan are all the same height as Draymond Green

 

[Reep]

Can we trade CJ and Meyers for LMA and DeRosen? Seems like a good trade for both. Or make it CJ and Aminu if you like. Is DeRosen blocked or can he be traded.

 

[Natebishop3]

Turner Chief Mo Layman Harkless are all the same height as Draymond Green

And Allen Crabbe was the same height as Michael Jordan

 

[riverman]

And Allen Crabbe was the same height as Michael Jordan

you're talking about player size...the topic is the Blazers roster if I'm correct ...if not I've stumbled upon the Nets forum mistakenly....why no mention of our 6'8 guys in your lists? I backed my opinion with our obviously improved speed and shooting....which is exactly what the Warrior have won a pile of rings from doing...we're trying to beat the Warriors, not the 90s Bulls right?

 

[Natebishop3]

Since Riverman wants to point out Harkless as a power forward, here is a little more information about how our team did with Harkless at the 4.

172 combined minutes of Harkless at power forward last season.

16 wins and 28 losses with Harkless at power forward. That's a win% of 36. I definitely want to see more of THAT.

 

[Natebishop3]

you're talking about player size...the topic is the Blazers roster if I'm correct ...if not I've stumbled upon the Nets forum mistakenly....why no mention of our 6'8 guys in your lists? I backed my opinion with our obviously improved speed and shooting....which is exactly what the Warrior have won a pile of rings from doing...we're trying to beat the Warriors, not the 90s Bulls right?

Because I'm talking about guards and bigs. Harkless is not a big and the numbers support me.

 

[Reep]

Can we trade CJ and Meyers for LMA and DeRosen? Seems like a good trade for both. Or make it CJ and Aminu if you like. Is DeRosen blocked or can he be traded.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8jadc4h

Portland: DeRozan; Love
SA: CJ
Cleveland: Aminu; Turner; Portland draft pick? Portland Rookie?

Dame; WB4
DeRozan; Curry; Stauskas
Harkless; Trent; Layman
Love; Collins
Nurkic; Biggie

 

[Boob-No-More]

Logic would suggest that but Neil is probably more likely to trade Trent for some old white guy like Korver.

Wait, how is that going to happen? I thought standard Olshey complaint #2 was he falls in love with "his guys" and refuses to trade players he drafted.

BNM

 

[James lamphear]

you left Harkless and Layman off your list...both guys can play the 3-4
Layman Harkless Aminu Leonard Swanigan..Nurk..Collins....that's 7 guys....all can play in the frontcourt..7 players is one under half the roster...don't see the imbalance you infer here. Looks to me that we're gong to play a lot of small ball and run a lot more.

Not knocking Dame at all but I can't see us running as a team with him as our point guard. He his player that don't like to push the ball most times.

 

[Scalma]

Wait, how is that going to happen? I thought standard Olshey complaint #2 was he falls in love with "his guys" and refuses to trade players he drafted.

BNM

If you listen to his comments about Trent he left open the possibility of using him as an asset in a trade. I don’t remember which interview it was, since he’s done like 40 in the past week. Might be the Jaynes one.

 

[RR7]

It does SEEM like he's setting up the roster for moving CJ, but also feels unlikely, just...because.

 

[THE HCP]

Not knocking Dame at all but I can't see us running as a team with him as our point guard. He his player that don't like to push the ball most times.

#YouMustBeDayDrinkinFAMS

 

[boredinsalem]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8jadc4h

Portland: DeRozan; Love
SA: CJ
Cleveland: Aminu; Turner; Portland draft pick? Portland Rookie?

Dame; WB4
DeRozan; Curry; Stauskas
Harkless; Trent; Layman
Love; Collins
Nurkic; Biggie

That team would be so damn fun to watch. Essentially you'd run Dame/Nurk pick n roll on one side and Derozan/Love pick n pop on the other with Harkless as a cutter for either. The starting unit would be a thing of beauty.

 

[Reep]

If you want to balance, it does seem like CJ + Trent could have quite a bit of value, but Butler or some other starting guard better be involved.

CJ to Tpups
Harkless, Trent, Taj Gibson to Cleveland
Butler and Love to Blazers

Works after Aug 5.

I like Butler for his defense, but DeRozan sure does seem like a Portland-type player.

 

[riverman]

Because I'm talking about guards and bigs. Harkless is not a big and the numbers support me.

Harkless plays the 4 in small ball rotations....I'm talking about size on the roster.....we have 8 guys who are bona fide guards or combo guards many who won't sniff the court most games...still don't see this massive imbalance...no problem..just my opinion on the topic.

 

[riverman]

Because I'm talking about guards and bigs

again we have 3 7 ft players....we had 2 7 ft guys last year to waive towels...I know what you're talking about...I'm just trying to weigh in on the thread

 

[Natebishop3]

Harkless plays the 4 in small ball rotations....I'm talking about size on the roster.....we have 8 guys who are bona fide guards or combo guards many who won't sniff the court most games...still don't see this massive imbalance...no problem..just my opinion on the topic.

I will put it another way.

We have a combined 96 minutes to dole out between the two guard positions per game.

Dame and CJ have historically played a combined 72 minutes per game between those two positions. That leaves about 24 minutes total per game for the 7 players on our team that play guard. It's not really good or necessary to have that many guys at our two strongest positions.

Now, maybe we're stocking up because Neil is planning on making a trade.... or maybe those were just the best players available in the draft, but add in Simons and Trent to us also signing Curry and Stauskas and it's really a head scratcher.

Conversely, our frontcourt is in a very tumultuous state with Ed Davis leaving. With the exception of Nurk, none of our other bigs are reliable centers. And yes, we can play Aminu and Harkless at power forward, but Harkless has not been an effective four for us, as the numbers show. So when I say there's an imbalance on our roster, I'm talking about the talent. We have a disproportionate amount of talent at guard compared to forward and center.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

PG - Dame/Baldwin
SG - CJ/Curry/Stauskas/Simons/Trent

That's not even counting Turner as a guard.

Nearly half our roster are guards, and only two of them are capable of running an offense. And the crappy part is that most, if not all, deserve playing time.

Dame - no explanation necessary

CJ - no explanation necessary

WB4 - I would love to see more of this guy. I think he has a lot of potential. I love his defense and his swagger.

Curry - The guy seemed to really click with the Mavs. 13 ppg on 48% shooting and 42.5% from three. Could be a very nice player off the bench.

Stauskas - honestly the only player from the group that I have zero interest in.

Simons - I want to see this kid get some minutes and grow.

Trent - I think he could contribute right away. He strikes me as an Allen Crabbe that actually has some fire and drive.

There's just simply no way we're going to have this many guards on the active roster. Especially since our front court seems so thin.

Aminu/Collins? Swanigan?
Nurk/Collins? Swanigan? Meyers?

Trade coming soon?

Absolutely a good point. However, I don't think it means Deal Comin' Soon. Olshey has said that Trent will, at least initially, play SF. Stauskas can play SF, too?

 

[riverman]

I think Biggie and Layman are going to play a lot of 4....Collins will play a lot of minutes as well as Meyers...we'll just have guards waiving towels..instead of Meyers Biggie and Pappa G ...Stauskas is 6'7....he and Trent can play the SF which is actually not a guard position...as well as ET and Mo...

 

[Scalma]

I will put it another way.

We have a combined 96 minutes to dole out between the two guard positions per game.

Dame and CJ have historically played a combined 72 minutes per game between those two positions. That leaves about 24 minutes total per game for the 7 players on our team that play guard. It's not really good or necessary to have that many guys at our two strongest positions.

Now, maybe we're stocking up because Neil is planning on making a trade.... or maybe those were just the best players available in the draft, but add in Simons and Trent to us also signing Curry and Stauskas and it's really a head scratcher.

Conversely, our frontcourt is in a very tumultuous state with Ed Davis leaving. With the exception of Nurk, none of our other bigs are reliable centers. And yes, we can play Aminu and Harkless at power forward, but Harkless has not been an effective four for us, as the numbers show. So when I say there's an imbalance on our roster, I'm talking about the talent. We have a disproportionate amount of talent at guard compared to forward and center.

When you think about it’s the same exact problem we had the last couple of years in the front court.

We had an imbalance and what did Neil do? He traded one center for another center, and then drafted two bigs.

This year he drafts two guards, and then signs another two in free agency.

He either has no idea how to build a roster, or overestimates the value of his players in trade discussions.