Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

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Let’s hear those proposals. Remember, he’s a potential rental, so think back to those George offers.
 
Scalma said:


Let’s hear those proposals. Remember, he’s a potential rental, so think back to those George offers.
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Rental/smental dude. Sometimes you just got to say fuck it and take the chance. Over the course of the season you convince him to stay. I say anyone outside of Dame and maybe Nurk. I doubt they'd want Nurk anyway because they have Kat.
 


This actually sounds more like Butler will ask Minnesota to dump Wiggins and whoever else he doesn’t like.

Let’s go get Wiggins. Mentioned the idea not long ago.
 
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Scalma said:


This actually sounds more like Butler will ask Minnesota to dump Wiggins and whoever else he doesn’t like.

Let’s go get Wiggins. Mentioned the idea not long ago.
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Evan Turner, any player NOT named Dame, CJ, Nurk, Simons, or Leonard, and a protected draft pick.
 
Scalma said:
Turner, Aminu, and a lottery protected pick for Wiggins.
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Will Wiggins be happy being the 3rd wheel in POR? He's in the same role in MIN and hates it. He got a max deal and thinks that automatically makes him a No. 1 or, at worst, a No. 2 guy. He's not. He's an inefficient scorer that brings nothing else to the table.

That said, he's certainly an upgrade over anyone we currently have at SF and I'm more than happy to dump Turner. I like Aminu, but he's an expiring and not part of the long term plan.

I'd go all in trying to get Butler, give them C.J. + draft picks, plus anyone else not named Lillard (as mentioned, they won't want/need Nurk). A Dame/Jimmy/Nurk Big 3 would be damn competitive. Plenty of scoring and passing and 2 of the 3 are also great defensively. Start whenever is left of Collins/Aminu at the 4 and 4 of our 4 starters would be well above average defensively. We were top 8 in defense last year. Adding Butler would easily propel us into the top 5, possibly top 3 defensively and Butler can replace C.J.'s scoring.

If Plan A fails, move to Plan B to take Wiggins off their hands. Who knows, in Stotts' system, as a 3rd option, his efficiency (and his mood) may improve.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Will Wiggins be happy being the 3rd wheel in POR? He's in the same role in MIN and hates it. He got a max deal and thinks that automatically makes him a No. 1 or, at worst, a No. 2 guy. He's not. He's an inefficient scorer that brings nothing else to the table.

That said, he's certainly an upgrade over anyone we currently have at SF and I'm more than happy to dump Turner. I like Aminu, but he's an expiring and not part of the long term plan.

I'd go all in trying to get Butler, give them C.J. + draft picks, plus anyone else not named Lillard (as mentioned, they won't want/need Nurk). A Dame/Jimmy/Nurk Big 3 would be damn competitive. Plenty of scoring and passing and 2 of the 3 are also great defensively. Start whenever is left of Collins/Aminu at the 4 and 4 of our 4 starters would be well above average defensively. We were top 8 in defense last year. Adding Butler would easily propel us into the top 5, possibly top 3 defensively and Butler can replace C.J.'s scoring.

If Plan A fails, move to Plan B to take Wiggins off their hands. Who knows, in Stotts' system, as a 3rd option, his efficiency (and his mood) may improve.

BNM
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Isn’t Wiggins third fiddle in Minnesota? I think they should go after KAT.
Good post as always BNM.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Will Wiggins be happy being the 3rd wheel in POR? He's in the same role in MIN and hates it. He got a max deal and thinks that automatically makes him a No. 1 or, at worst, a No. 2 guy. He's not. He's an inefficient scorer that brings nothing else to the table.

That said, he's certainly an upgrade over anyone we currently have at SF and I'm more than happy to dump Turner. I like Aminu, but he's an expiring and not part of the long term plan.

I'd go all in trying to get Butler, give them C.J. + draft picks, plus anyone else not named Lillard (as mentioned, they won't want/need Nurk). A Dame/Jimmy/Nurk Big 3 would be damn competitive. Plenty of scoring and passing and 2 of the 3 are also great defensively. Start whenever is left of Collins/Aminu at the 4 and 4 of our 4 starters would be well above average defensively. We were top 8 in defense last year. Adding Butler would easily propel us into the top 5, possibly top 3 defensively and Butler can replace C.J.'s scoring.

If Plan A fails, move to Plan B to take Wiggins off their hands. Who knows, in Stotts' system, as a 3rd option, his efficiency (and his mood) may improve.

BNM
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I’d trade CJ too but since we all know Olshey won’t consider it, especially for a possible rental, it’s a waste of time.

I don’t view Wiggins as a malcontent. His personality just doesn’t mesh with Butlers. I’ve thought ever since I saw him at the hoop summit that his demeanor was a lot like Batums. It can come off as indifferent, even when it’s not, and a shitty lead dog like Butler has no idea how to relate or connect. Pretty sure he had the same issue in Chicago with Mirotic.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Isn’t Wiggins third fiddle in Minnesota? I think they should go after KAT.
Good post as always BNM.
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I doubt if MIN's ownership would consider moving KAT. I think he's the closest thing to untouchable they have. I think their plan will be to have a come to Jesus meeting (or series of meetings) between Thibs, Butler, KAT and Wiggins and see if they can all bury their differences and get on the same page. Barring that, I think moving Wiggins to placate Butler is their Plan B, followed by entertaining all offers for Butler as Plan C.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I doubt if MIN's ownership would consider moving KAT. I think he's the closest thing to untouchable they have. I think their plan will be to have a come to Jesus meeting (or series of meetings) between Thibs, Butler, KAT and Wiggins and see if they can all bury their differences and get on the same page. Barring that, I think moving Wiggins to placate Butler is their Plan B, followed by entertaining all offers for Butler as Plan C.

BNM
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Just a guess but I think this meeting is a formality before plans are set in motion. If this was about airing out differences I think it would’ve happened earlier. I think either butler or Wiggins is gone before training camp begins.
 
Boob-No-More said:
I doubt if MIN's ownership would consider moving KAT. I think he's the closest thing to untouchable they have. I think their plan will be to have a come to Jesus meeting (or series of meetings) between Thibs, Butler, KAT and Wiggins and see if they can all bury their differences and get on the same page. Barring that, I think moving Wiggins to placate Butler is their Plan B, followed by entertaining all offers for Butler as Plan C.

BNM
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I think you’re right, but I think it depends how much they value Thibs. My guess is Thibs will take Butler’s “side”. If the Blazers could make it ‘sweet’ enough without giving up Dame or C.J. maybe they get Minnesota drunk enough??? Heh. :)
 
Another scenario, and this probably is the most likely now that I’ve actually thought about it some; Butler gives Minnesota an ultimatum, me or KAT. Knowing full well that ownership won’t give up KAT, Butler essentially speeds up his exit.

Then you look at teams that could, and would, trade for Butler. You’d be looking for a playoff side with the ability to match salaries, while still giving Minnesota something they’d want. Financial relief (which could include taking on Dieng,) veterans, young assets, draft picks, whatever.

Would Portland have a shot? I think so. Thibs has control in Minnesota. It’s been established that he’s a Turner fan. I’ve maintained that Minnesota was our best bet in dumping him. Thibs is probably coaching for his job next season. If he’s forced to move Butler, he’ll want guys he can depend on, and since any team wanting Butler will also have to send a big contract back, it may as well be someone Thib admires.

Beyond that we could maybe even take on Dieng by including Moe, or maybe even Meyers considering Patton’s injury, on top of Evan, Chief, and our pick.
 
The story with Butler is that he plans to team up with Kyrie, and Kyrie is heading for the Knicks.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
God no. Aminu is better than Wiggins and it's not close.
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Ok... I’m not going to just say you’re wrong. I would like some sort of explanation on how you got to that conclusion though. Wiggins is 22 and while he’s been a let down for a #1 pick he’s been pretty ‘ok’. Aminu is 28 (I think) and has only been a starter because the Blazers forwards have been passable at best...

Anyways. I have a hard time getting to ‘Aminu is better’ and it’s not even close is like really hard for me. So, would you mind expanding on that thought?
 
Strenuus said:
I dont get Wiggins... Ive been so underwhelmed by him. Inefficent even before butler. Maybe its something im not seeing but hes been meh.
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He’s definitely not lived up to the hype. Or even close to it. He’s kind of an ok 3-4th option and he is still only 22.
 
Scalma said:
Turner, Aminu, and a lottery protected pick for Wiggins.
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Do you really think that's a possibility? I don't like Wiggins game where it stands. Bad defender, super-inefficient, but he has so much potential and a scenario like this would be one of the only ways we could add a potential 3rd star to Dame and CJ. Olshey talks about how he feels like they're good at revitalizing young players careers and helping them restart their development. If they can do what they did with Harkless, then Wiggins would be a solid gamble. In this scenario I'm not trading Aminu though. We'd need his defensive versatility with Wiggins on the team, since Aminu could take the best forward and we could hide Wiggins on the worst forward.

MIN Gets: Evan Turner, Caleb Swanigan, Jake Layman, 2019 POR 1st, 2020 Right to Swap
POR Gets: Andrew Wiggins

Sign Cameron Oliver and Chinanu Onuaku.

Lillard / Baldwin / Simons
McCollum / Curry / Stauskas
Wiggins / Harkless / Trent
Aminu / Collins / Oliver
Nurkic / Leonard / Onuaku

Lillard (36) / Curry (12)
McCollum (35) / Curry (13)
Wiggins (30) / Harkless (15) / Curry (3)
Aminu (30) / Harkless (12) / Collins (6)
Nurkic (30) / Collins (18)

Lets say Dame and CJ leave in 2021 (blasphemy, I know). We'd have Wiggins, Collins, Trent, and Simons as guys under 25 years old and Nurkic would be 27. Wouldn't be horrible.
 
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