Gary Trent Sr. and Jr.

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James lamphear said:
This why they got training camp. Plus you never know about Harkless what frame of mind he will be in. Then if Stotts use a similar rotation like last year where Pat came in for CJ with 5 minutes left of the QT. Then Bazz came in with CJ at the beginning of the 2nd when Dame went out. So there is opportunity for either Trent or Nik to get minutes due to that Stotts might not want to play 2 6'2" guys together that Dame and Curry.
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I highly doubt tlwe see that same sub pattern. If Curry plays like how he did in 2016-2017, then he'll deserve 25mpg+.

Also, Curry has a taller standing reach than McCollum, FWIW.
 
BonesJones said:
Just saying that's who he'd have to beat out. Based off production Turner shouldn't be playing. It's up to the organization to bite the bullet and bench the money-man.
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Well yeah but we all know that’s not going to happen. They’re seemingly building the second unit around Turner
 
Scalma said:
Well yeah but we all know that’s not going to happen. They’re seemingly building the second unit around Turner
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I wouldnt place any absolutes onnanything outside of Dame, CJ, and Nurk... especially in regards to Evan freakin Turner. Getting more shooters = building around Turner by compensation? I dont see it. I think they want more shooting in general. They want to try to get Turner in a better position to succeed, and have talked about it a lot this off-season, but I don't think that means they'll drown with him if thrown a life raft.
 
I hate to bring up the i-word, but injuries, even minor short term ones, tend to get overlooked when people start talking about minutes. Last year Dame missed 9 games, Chief missed 13 and Moe missed 23 (ok, 9 of those were DNPs). Point being, if Dame misses any games, his minutes will be absorbed by Curry and Baldwin, freeing up their minutes for someone like Trent Jr. If Moe or Turner go down, Trent Jr., would be next man up.

Terry always tries different rotations over the first half of the season, and will make adjustments when guys get injured. There will be opportunities for Trent Jr. to get minutes. It's up to him to make the most of those opportunities, because what he shows the coaches then will determine how much PT he gets later in the season. The bad news, it's often difficult for a rookie to stay ready and fully prepared when he's not getting consistent PT. The good news is Trent Jr. has been around the NBA all of his life. He knows how this works. When the opportunities come, I expect he will be ready to take advantage of them.

BNM
 
BonesJones said:
I wouldnt place any absolutes onnanything outside of Dame, CJ, and Nurk... especially in regards to Evan freakin Turner. Getting more shooters = building around Turner by compensation? I dont see it. I think they want more shooting in general. They want to try to get Turner in a better position to succeed, and have talked about it a lot this off-season, but I don't think that means they'll drown with him if thrown a life raft.
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The way Turner is viewed by most fans isn’t the same as the way the team views him, neither by actions nor words. It’s been mentioned numerous times this offseason that they’re looking to have Turner be more of a facilitator next season. Already that’s a different role than anyone is built for on the bench outside of Baldwin. That would also take the ball out of CJs hands, which is music to my ears because he’s not a point guard. Turner is also one of the top three defenders on the entire team, and probably the most versatile.

But beside all that, when was the last time Stotts went from playing a guy 25+ minutes one season to nothing the next? Won’t even get into the financial motivations.

I just don’t see any minutes for Trent save injury. I don’t even see minutes for Baldwin, Layman, or Stauskas. All three of those guys would get a crack before Trent, just going by Terry’s history.
 
Scalma said:
I just don’t see any minutes for Trent save injury. I don’t even see minutes for Baldwin, Layman, or Stauskas. All three of those guys would get a crack before Trent, just going by Terry’s history.
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So, if I read this correctly, the only bench guys you see minutes for are Curry, Turner and Collins. Are you suggesting that (barring injury, of course) Terry will basically go with an 8-man rotation?
 
Sheeeeeiiiit! This little boy is going to get chewed up and beasted by ET , Chief and Mo! Kids gonna get baptized once camp starts. Only sweat he’ll break this season is bringing the vets bags to their rooms on road trips.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So, if I read this correctly, the only bench guys you see minutes for are Curry, Turner and Collins. Are you suggesting that (barring injury, of course) Terry will basically go with an 8-man rotation?
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I think either Biggie or Meyers will get first crack at a backup spot next to Collins. Neither would keep Collins away from the basket offensively. They’d pretty much be power forwards offensively, floating on the perimeter, similar to what Collins did last season, and centers defensively.
 
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Scalma said:
I think either Biggie or Meyers will get first crack at a backup spot next to Collins. Neither would keep Collins away from the basket offensively.
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Ah! Thought you might have been considering Meyers, but I completely forgot about Biggie!

Personally, Olshey's prior comments about the 3rd-year breakout--and his own hubris about his talent evaluation abilities--suggest to me that the FO will be strongly advocating to Stotts that Layman get a long leash early in the season.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Ah! Thought you might have been considering Meyers, but I completely forgot about Biggie!

Personally, Olshey's prior comments about the 3rd-year breakout--and his own hubris about his talent evaluation abilities--suggest to me that the FO will be strongly advocating to Stotts that Layman get a long leash early in the season.
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I mean I’d rather see that than either Biggie or Meyers. I think Layman would be more effective, on both ends, just as long as he shoots it consistently, which obviously is a big question mark right now.
 
Scalma said:
The way Turner is viewed by most fans isn’t the same as the way the team views him, neither by actions nor words. Hmm of a facilitator next season. Already that’s a different role than anyone is built for on the bench outside of Baldwin. That would also take the ball out of CJs hands, which is music to my ears because he’s not a point guard. Turner is also one of the top three defenders on the entire team, and probably the most versatile.

But beside all that, when was the last time Stotts went from playing a guy 25+ minutes one season to nothing the next? Won’t even get into the financial motivations.

I just don’t see any minutes for Trent save injury. I don’t even see minutes for Baldwin, Layman, or Stauskas. All three of those guys would get a crack before Trent, just going by Terry’s history.
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I love when people essentially repeat what I said back to me.

Here's what I said: "They want to try to get Turner in a better position to succeed, and have talked about it a lot this off-season".

1.) They'll go I'm trying to make use of him, I think that experiment will fail, they'll notice, and then they'll give others a chance.
2.) Turner our most versatile defender? More so than Aminu and Harkless? C'mon man.
3.) He's not a top 3 defender. Moe, Chief, and Nurk are all better than him defensively.
4.) He sucks. They're trying to rectify him, but I don't believe they're as stubborn as you do.

"But beside all that, when was the last time Stotts went from playing a guy 25+ minutes one season to nothing the next?"...
Last year. Maurice Harkless....

They'll all get an equal crack. Whoever's playing best in practice will get a shot. Layman got more burn his rookie year than Sophomore year. Caleb got burn last year. If Trent is killing Stauskas in practice, they're not going to play him over Trent. There's no short-term or long-term upside to playing Stauskas.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Ah! Thought you might have been considering Meyers, but I completely forgot about Biggie!

Personally, Olshey's prior comments about the 3rd-year breakout--and his own hubris about his talent evaluation abilities--suggest to me that the FO will be strongly advocating to Stotts that Layman get a long leash early in the season.
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I think Meyers will play backup 5 against bigger lineups, with Moe playing small-ball 4 against smaller lineups, which opens up more wing minutes. Collins could play inside with either.
 
"Can Gary Trent Jr. Be The Next Wesley Matthews?"

Don't confuse Trent Sr.'s body with Jr.'s body.
Jr. has a thin frame.
Wes Matthews looks like a football player in pads, but he's not wearing pads.
 
jlprk said:
"Can Gary Trent Jr. Be The Next Wesley Matthews?"

Don't confuse Trent Sr.'s body with Jr.'s body.
Jr. has a thin frame.
Wes Matthews looks like a football player in pads, but he's not wearing pads.
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What
 
I think Turner will play a lot up until the trade deadline; Olshey will be making an all-out to trade him then.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I think Turner will play a lot up until the trade deadline; Olshey will be making an all-out to trade him then.
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Oh god, please don't tell me we're going to be "showcasing" Turner. We tried that with "former all star" Jamaal Magloire during Aldridge's rookie year. All it meant was a fewer minutes and a bunch of DNPs for Aldridge until after the trade deadline had passed (and no one was interested in Magloire - surprise).

If the plan is to trade Turner anyway, I'd rather just see Trent Jr. get his minutes from day 1. Develop the guy who is part of the plan over showcasing the guy who isn't.

BNM
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I think Turner will play a lot up until the trade deadline; Olshey will be making an all-out to trade him then.
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Don’t do this to yourself. He’ll be here until his contract runs out. Maybe he’ll have some value as an expiring, but that’s best case scenario imo.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Oh god, please don't tell me we're going to be "showcasing" Turner. We tried that with "former all star" Jamaal Magloire during Aldridge's rookie year. All it meant was a fewer minutes and a bunch of DNPs for Aldridge until after the trade deadline had passed (and no one was interested in Magloire - surprise).

If the plan is to trade Turner anyway, I'd rather just see Trent Jr. get his minutes from day 1. Develop the guy who is part of the plan over showcasing the guy who isn't.

BNM
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Well, it's the only thing that makes sense to me. I can't believe that after all this time and all those turnovers that they think he is going to be a great facilitator.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, it's the only thing that makes sense to me. I can't believe that after all this time and all those turnovers that they think he is going to be a great facilitator.
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I would guess they will give him one last shot with the new shooters in the second unit. If it doesn't work by the trade deadline (or earlier if it really bombs) then I would guess they may change direction for the rest of the season.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, it's the only thing that makes sense to me. I can't believe that after all this time and all those turnovers that they think he is going to be a great facilitator.
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Turner averaged even more turnovers in Boston, the difference was he also had the ball in his hands more and was allowed to create. I’m guessing that’s what they’ll go back to this season.
 
As Blazers, Crabbe played too introverted, and Barton too extroverted. Crabbe depended on the playmaker's pass before his catch-and-shoot. Barton dribbled aimlessly looking to pass like a playmaker. Under their new coaches, they may have changed; I don't know.

We all hope that Trent will combine the best, not worst, traits of those two. Olshey drafted him as a 1-dimensional shooter. So in Summer League, Trent was told to brainlessly shoot with no hesitation or conscience. He dribbled thundering down the court, knowing in advance that he would pull up and shoot without looking to pass, and missed most.

Maybe Olshey told coaches to develop Trent this season in this order: 1) Remove any Crabbe-like overthinking, 2) polish off any Barton-like goofiness. In Summer League, we saw 1).
 
jlprk said:
As Blazers, Crabbe played too introverted, and Barton too extroverted. Crabbe depended on the playmaker's pass before his catch-and-shoot. Barton dribbled aimlessly looking to pass like a playmaker. Under their new coaches, they may have changed; I don't know.

We all hope that Trent will combine the best, not worst, traits of those two. Olshey drafted him as a 1-dimensional shooter. So in Summer League, Trent was told to brainlessly shoot with no hesitation or conscience. He dribbled thundering down the court, knowing in advance that he would pull up and shoot without looking to pass, and missed most.

Maybe Olshey told coaches to develop Trent this season in this order: 1) Remove any Crabbe-like overthinking, 2) polish off any Barton-like goofiness. In Summer League, we saw 1).
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Its bad enough NO gets to put the roster together. Lets hope he has very little input on the coaching too.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Its bad enough NO gets to put the roster together. Lets hope he has very little input on the coaching too.
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Soon after the draft (like Trent), Olshey's scouting notes guide coaches in where to start on a player's development. As time goes on, they figure out their own plan. But as we have seen, he still tells them to keep trying on certain players long after they would have given up.
 
jlprk said:
As Blazers, Crabbe played too introverted, and Barton too extroverted. Crabbe depended on the playmaker's pass before his catch-and-shoot. Barton dribbled aimlessly looking to pass like a playmaker. Under their new coaches, they may have changed; I don't know.

We all hope that Trent will combine the best, not worst, traits of those two. Olshey drafted him as a 1-dimensional shooter. So in Summer League, Trent was told to brainlessly shoot with no hesitation or conscience. He dribbled thundering down the court, knowing in advance that he would pull up and shoot without looking to pass, and missed most.

Maybe Olshey told coaches to develop Trent this season in this order: 1) Remove any Crabbe-like overthinking, 2) polish off any Barton-like goofiness. In Summer League, we saw 1).
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The only plays I remember Will Barton looking to make while he was in POR were plays for himself. Yes, lots of dribbling around, but always looking for his own shot. In his time in POR he averaged 5x as many FGA as AST. He also didn't come into the league with a 3-point shot (.299 3FG% in college compared to .402 for Trent Jr.). Trent Jr. made more 3-pointers (97) in one season at Duke than Barton did (76) in two seasons at MEM. In his 2.5 season in POR, Barton shot .198 3FG%. I expect Trent Jr. to shoot much better from deep as a rookie than Barton ever did in POR.

Rookie Trent Jr. seems much more poised than rookie Barton (who was totally out of control) and also seems to have much more confidence than Crabbe has ever displayed. Trent Jr. played in a very structured system at Duke with a specific role and he excelled in that role. I suspect his transition to the NBA will be much smoother than it was for either Barton or Crabbe.

BNM
 
jlprk said:
Soon after the draft (like Trent), Olshey's scouting notes guide coaches in where to start on a player's development. As time goes on, they figure out their own plan. But as we have seen, he still tells them to keep trying on certain players long after they would have given up.
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This is all true... Sadly...
 
jlprk said:
Soon after the draft (like Trent), Olshey's scouting notes guide coaches in where to start on a player's development. As time goes on, they figure out their own plan. But as we have seen, he still tells them to keep trying on certain players long after they would have given up.
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Our coaching staff has a great track record of developing guards/wings. I'm not worried about Trent Jr. or Simons. It's our young bigs I worry about.

BNM
 
I expect Trent will follow the Crabbe-Connaughton career track. Nothing in the next couple of years. Then Olshey will tell Stotts to play him. (Yes, those two undead zombies will be here till we're all gone.)
 
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