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Cue inevitable series of "it depends what we get for them" posts. No shit Sherlock, just imagine we get a fair exchange. Yes, that seems unlikely - to be honest there are too many teams with players they want to unload and not enough takers, but let's fantasize, shall we?
 
I don’t think DA is even remotely on the trade menu.

despite what the fan base thinks, it very much feels to me like the franchise wants to invest in him, as they should based on his true potential and quality of passion.

Anyway I went with Ant, because when the shots not falling there is zero use case for him. And the shots are so rarely good shots.

What do we get for him? I think he has a lot more value as a clear 3-4 option on someone like the Magic in which case he’s worth the 1st we want, as he could easily be a better fit on another team. I like him on the spurs too for some reason.
 
I am liking the development of Rupert. I am hoping in the long run that he can be better than Thybulle. He is a longer defender (although not a better one yet) and has more potential on offense. So if they traded Matisse for salary purposes I would be fine.

But that is not who I voted for. I think when you combine age, salary, and depth that Grant is the best choice. Once Sharpe comes back then he starts at SG and Deni and Camara can start at the forwards with Murray, Walker, and Duop coming off the bench.

I have no desire to trade Ant or Ayton. As for Williams, I don't care one way or the other. He needs to get healthy first.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
But he's a guard now.
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He's a swingman, often playing alongside Scoot/Ant, and his absence would still make more room for others (like Rupert).

Until Sharpe gets healthy, Ant's absence basically just means more time for Banton.
 
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Who cares.

Just lose. Nothing else matters. Thanks Jodi for instilling apathy!!! Woooo!

Lose.
 
Voted grant. Laid it out in the goals for the season thread. Whenever Sharpe returns, I'd love Camara and Deni as our forwards, with time for Rupert and walker and Murray. Grant blocks that time.
 
Strenuus said:
Who cares.

Just lose. Nothing else matters. Thanks Jodi for instilling apathy!!! Woooo!

Lose.
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I think development matters. Developing good habits will be better than bad habits. We should be looking at bringing in vets that these guys respect, who are past their prime, who built a career based on good habits, but due to age are no longer formidable enough to expect to dominate the ball.

Yes, I do think new ownership (committed to winning in Portland) is sorely needed.
 
I picked Jerami just because I think he adds value on both ends of the court to a team trying to win now and in the playoffs... and he's definitely a diminishing asset at this point.

So if Ant ends up sitting the second half of the season he should keep whatever trade value he has at that point and the same could be said for Deandre. Guys like Rob and Tisse could actually rehabilitate their diminished value if they played some effective minutes this season and if Rob stays healthy from now until the end of the season, even if he is sitting a lot of games healthy in the name of tanking then I think Rob's value has the best chance to increase from now until the off season.

I think you move everyone on this list besides Deandre for a fair offer and still if you get a really good offer for him, you might do that too.
 
Im sure you will get more for Grant and we are loaded at forwards. Tou will go back to forward once Shae comes back, so have a young set of forwards. Simons value is probably low and he still a young player so make him part of the guard rotation till something reasonable is there for a trade.
 
I am sure they will try to trade Grant first, but I am not sure they will be able to get what they want, so I am guessing RW3 is the most likely to be traded.
 
Grant should be it. He could help a contender right now.

Simons, sure, but who's going to pay for him? He's playing like hot garbage so far this season. 39% from the field and 31% from three. He's still a horrible defender. He's coming up on the end of his contract.
 
if I had my wish on the priority of players traded it would be:

Simons
Ayton
Grant
Timelord
Thybulle

I chose Simons for the poll because 9 years of trotting out an undersized, no-defense SG was 8 years too much; and this is the 10th season of that failing. It doesn't change things shifting him to PG either

like others have said though, I doubt that Simons & Ayton have any positive value. Grant has the highest value but it sure isn't two first round picks value.
 
wizenheimer said:
if I had my wish on the priority of players traded it would be:

Simons
Ayton
Grant
Timelord
Thybulle

I chose Simons for the poll because 9 years of trotting out an undersized, no-defense SG was 8 years too much; and this is the 10th season of that failing. It doesn't change things shifting him to PG either

like others have said though, I doubt that Simons & Ayton have any positive value. Grant has the highest value but it sure isn't two first round picks value.
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I think Ayton has some value. I think Simons probably has very little.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think Ayton has some value. I think Simons probably has very little.
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I think it would have to be the right team for both guys but I think there are some teams that would have positive value on one or the other. I don't know if that's a FRP for either guy. I still think Ant is priced just about right for a microwave in today's league. I think Deandre is still the same guy who was the third most impactful player on a team that went to the finals and at the 5, that's usually worth around the max... not supermax by any means but about what he's getting paid.

I think a team like NOLA would really want Deandre. I think a team like Orlando would pay for Ant. I'm sure there are other teams that would send us positive value for those two but even DA to NOLA and Ant to Orlando would be hard to project how much we would get back.
 
Grant is the clear vote as he has the longest contract with the most risk we could get stuck with it. At least the others are expiring next year so worst case scenario we just let them walk.

Or that is worst case scenario if we had a decent GM. Real worst case scenario is giving them a stupid extension and I'm concerned that's the move Cronin might do.
 
I voted Simons, but it was a difficult call for me between he and Grant. Right now this minute I would rather Portland be rid of Simons because he has no value and gets in the way of Scoot, even if he is not ready yet to lead. He needs end game reps. He also will be in the way of Sharpe when he returns. I know there are enough minutes to go around for all three, but there is only one ball and I like the way Scoot shares it mores than Simons. Simons will be an expiring next season, which I take into consideration but he just needs to go. Grant obviously has too many years on his deal and too much money for my liking of fit with this team, but at this time he is not preventing a young forward from getting his run. If we get lucky and draft Flagg or Bailey next season, Grant better be gone. Yes, I would like Grant to defer more, but not as much as I want Simons to. Thybulle is opting out after this season, not a consideration. Time Lord will be on an expiring next season. He is not a consideration at all. Ayton is in no way in Clingans way both this season or next. Trade him if a good deal is offered but I am good with him playing out his deal. Under no circumstances are these five players to be offered extensions unless there is a horrific accident and they are the last resort.
 
BIG Q said:
I voted Simons, but it was a difficult call for me between he and Grant. Right now this minute I would rather Portland be rid of Simons because he has no value and gets in the way of Scoot, even if he is not ready yet to lead. He needs end game reps. He also will be in the way of Sharpe when he returns. I know there are enough minutes to go around for all three, but there is only one ball and I like the way Scoot shares it mores than Simons. Simons will be an expiring next season, which I take into consideration but he just needs to go. Grant obviously has too many years on his deal and too much money for my liking of fit with this team, but at this time he is not preventing a young forward from getting his run. If we get lucky and draft Flagg or Bailey next season, Grant better be gone. Yes, I would like Grant to defer more, but not as much as I want Simons to. Thybulle is opting out after this season, not a consideration. Time Lord will be on an expiring next season. He is not a consideration at all. Ayton is in no way in Clingans way both this season or next. Trade him if a good deal is offered but I am good with him playing out his deal. Under no circumstances are these five players to be offered extensions unless there is a horrific accident and they are the last resort.
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We have had the same starting 5 all 5 games, with Sharpe out. Once he is back, Camara likely goes to the bench. Unless Sharpe does. Scoot is averaging 27.8 minutes off the bench, most on the team. Murray is averaging 16.8. Rupert is at 9.8. Walker at 12.8. Camara is at 29.8, Avdija at 28.4. When Sharpe comes back, whose minutes are getting reduced? I don't see how Scoot is being blocked by Simons but(once Sharpe returns) , one of our 4-5 young wings minutes would not be being blocked by Grant.
 
RR7 said:
We have had the same starting 5 all 5 games, with Sharpe out. Once he is back, Camara likely goes to the bench. Unless Sharpe does. Scoot is averaging 27.8 minutes off the bench, most on the team. Murray is averaging 16.8. Rupert is at 9.8. Walker at 12.8. Camara is at 29.8, Avdija at 28.4. When Sharpe comes back, whose minutes are getting reduced? I don't see how Scoot is being blocked by Simons but(once Sharpe returns) , one of our 4-5 young wings minutes would not be being blocked by Grant.
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It's not necessarily about minutes, but minutes with the ball. As the decision maker. Dealing with pressure situations.

Ant and Grant took nearly every shot at the end of the Clippers game. That's a lost opportunity, and it's 1 win toward worse odds in the lottery.
 
I voted Williams because he hasn't done squat for us and i want another big who can actually stay on the court.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's not necessarily about minutes, but minutes with the ball. As the decision maker. Dealing with pressure situations.

Ant and Grant took nearly every shot at the end of the Clippers game. That's a lost opportunity, and it's 1 win toward worse odds in the lottery.
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Scoot(again, small sample size for sure) so far this season has shown a big increase in his PER, his TS%, his FTR, his TRB%, his AST%, has dropped his TO%, increased his WS/48, increased his VORP, BPM, higher ORTG, lower DRTG, has improved his overall FG%.

He's taken 42% of his shots within 3 feet of the rim, up from 24% last season. He's increased his FG% on them as well, up to 6% from 50. He's settling for less midrange jumpers, but has improved his %s there as well.

Only 5 players are scoring more off the bench this season in the league than he is.

I think he's coming along nicely. It doesn't look like his development is being hindered currently to me.
And this is what we KNOW is happening currently. We have no way of knowing what he would look like if he was forced in to being the primary ball handler all game, and got double teamed constantly, and what it would or wouldn't do to his confidence or his development. We can speculate. But we can see that he is greatly improved(in small sample size) this season.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's not necessarily about minutes, but minutes with the ball. As the decision maker. Dealing with pressure situations.

Ant and Grant took nearly every shot at the end of the Clippers game. That's a lost opportunity, and it's 1 win toward worse odds in the lottery.
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This is exactly what I was getting at, that RR& missed.
 
RR7 said:
Scoot(again, small sample size for sure) so far this season has shown a big increase in his PER, his TS%, his FTR, his TRB%, his AST%, has dropped his TO%, increased his WS/48, increased his VORP, BPM, higher ORTG, lower DRTG, has improved his overall FG%.

He's taken 42% of his shots within 3 feet of the rim, up from 24% last season. He's increased his FG% on them as well, up to 6% from 50. He's settling for less midrange jumpers, but has improved his %s there as well.

Only 5 players are scoring more off the bench this season in the league than he is.

I think he's coming along nicely. It doesn't look like his development is being hindered currently to me.
And this is what we KNOW is happening currently. We have no way of knowing what he would look like if he was forced in to being the primary ball handler all game, and got double teamed constantly, and what it would or wouldn't do to his confidence or his development. We can speculate. But we can see that he is greatly improved(in small sample size) this season.
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The bolded part is the problem. We have no idea. But lets just baby him while Ant, a player we know has no value is in front of him, taking the shots and making the passes at the end of games when Scoot should be doing it.
 
RR7 said:
Scoot(again, small sample size for sure) so far this season has shown a big increase in his PER, his TS%, his FTR, his TRB%, his AST%, has dropped his TO%, increased his WS/48, increased his VORP, BPM, higher ORTG, lower DRTG, has improved his overall FG%.

He's taken 42% of his shots within 3 feet of the rim, up from 24% last season. He's increased his FG% on them as well, up to 6% from 50. He's settling for less midrange jumpers, but has improved his %s there as well.

Only 5 players are scoring more off the bench this season in the league than he is.

I think he's coming along nicely. It doesn't look like his development is being hindered currently to me.
And this is what we KNOW is happening currently. We have no way of knowing what he would look like if he was forced in to being the primary ball handler all game, and got double teamed constantly, and what it would or wouldn't do to his confidence or his development. We can speculate. But we can see that he is greatly improved(in small sample size) this season.
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That's all true. I don't care what he would look like in that situation. I just want him to experience it as much as possible.

I don't care if he looks bad. I want him to make mistakes so he can learn from them.

I think the odds are pretty good that we would have lost that game without Ant and Grant. And if we'd won it with Scoot playing those important minutes and making those critical decisions we'd feel a lot better about it than we do now (at least I would). We honestly looked terrible, except that our young guys played great defense.

This is just a lost opportunity. The opportunity will be there again, but if we're going to sit Scoot in the important minutes while letting Ant and Grant jack shots again it'll just be another lost opportunity.

Honestly, it can't be good for Grant and Ants value. They looked terrible.

Anyway. I'm also good with where Scoot is. I just hate watching Ant and Grant play basketball the way they do here and I hate that we're gaining nothing with these games we're letting them dominate. And it's even worse when we wind up winning a game we shouldn't with them dominating the ball and sucking.
 
BIG Q said:
The bolded part is the problem. We have no idea. But lets just baby him while Ant, a player we know has no value is in front of him, taking the shots and making the passes at the end of games when Scoot should be doing it.
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We're not babying him though. only 4 players in the league have played as much off the bench as he has. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing. All the minutes, sink or swim, or sit and learn. Again, he seems to look much improved, so what they're doing seems to be helping him currently.
 
RR7 said:
Scoot(again, small sample size for sure) so far this season has shown a big increase in his PER, his TS%, his FTR, his TRB%, his AST%, has dropped his TO%, increased his WS/48, increased his VORP, BPM, higher ORTG, lower DRTG, has improved his overall FG%.

He's taken 42% of his shots within 3 feet of the rim, up from 24% last season. He's increased his FG% on them as well, up to 6% from 50. He's settling for less midrange jumpers, but has improved his %s there as well.

Only 5 players are scoring more off the bench this season in the league than he is.

I think he's coming along nicely. It doesn't look like his development is being hindered currently to me.
And this is what we KNOW is happening currently. We have no way of knowing what he would look like if he was forced in to being the primary ball handler all game, and got double teamed constantly, and what it would or wouldn't do to his confidence or his development. We can speculate. But we can see that he is greatly improved(in small sample size) this season.
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Great post. Id like to add this:

by nurturing him along as we currently are, we are fairly assured he wont have confidence issues or mental blocks to get over if he were playing poorly due to increase pressure and easing him into that pressure slowly will likely have a fair less chance of breaking him mentally if he makes mistakes under pressure.

But if we thrust him into the forefront night in night out it is NOT fairly assured he would thrive or break down mentally.

One seems like a much safer long term bet than the other for him to eventually be consistent and successful in pressure situations.

The funny thing about the mind is most people think OTHER people think like them and thats how it is.
If one is easily broken, then tend to think all people break.
If unable to break, then ww question the heart of anyone who does happen to break.
No one knows what is in the kids head and how things will affect him. It seems he is pretty mentally strong based on his confidence he portrays. But that could be a front to mask his internal doubt.
No one knows.


Ill take the safe bet over trying right now to see if he cracks. Maybe what cracks him now, wont crack him two years from now with the right nurturing and he is ready to take this team over as the floor general.
 
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