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TBpup said:
I think we all hope that Simons can step in and contribute at least a solid portion of what Curry provided.
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IMO not gonna happen in any way shape or form. The Kid is a sieve on defense and he will get scouted. Curry is a veteran and plays defense well. Anticipates the ball movement better. It will be Curries 5th year out of 6. he is way better seasoned at this point. Simmons is a huge project. 2-3 years away from that kind of game.
 
kjironman1 said:
IMO not gonna happen in any way shape or form. The Kid is a sieve on defense and he will get scouted. Curry is a veteran and plays defense well. Anticipates the ball movement better. It will be Curries 5th year out of 6. he is way better seasoned at this point. Simmons is a huge project. 2-3 years away from that kind of game.
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Coming into this year, Curry had only played in 118 games in his career. He hadn’t had that much experience. Simons didn’t look like a 2-3 years away from being a journeyman project on closing night. I wonder how good Simons may have been on Spurs in the situation where Murray got hurt and they had to start Simons. Or what if Simons had been in Donovan Mitchell’s position last year? Jazz had gaping hole for a scoring guard. And how good would Mitchell have been perceived if he was a bench player for us last year?
 
kjironman1 said:
IMO not gonna happen in any way shape or form. The Kid is a sieve on defense and he will get scouted. Curry is a veteran and plays defense well. Anticipates the ball movement better. It will be Curries 5th year out of 6. he is way better seasoned at this point. Simmons is a huge project. 2-3 years away from that kind of game.
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To be fair, anyone decent will be scouted. Of course Curry is light years ahead of Simons....as he should be. I'm just saying that for it being Curry's 6th year in the league, he averaged 7.9 ppg, 0.9 assists on an eFG% just a tick below....Jake Layman. That doesn't seem like the bar is THAT high.
 
Simons didn’t seem bad on defense by the way. He’s got long arms and he can move. The first half was rough on closing night cuz Kings couldn’t miss but from the time I’ve seen him on the defensive end of the court, he looks good.
 
kjironman1 said:
IMO not gonna happen in any way shape or form. The Kid is a sieve on defense and he will get scouted. Curry is a veteran and plays defense well. Anticipates the ball movement better. It will be Curries 5th year out of 6. he is way better seasoned at this point. Simmons is a huge project. 2-3 years away from that kind of game.
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Exactly. Ultimately I believe Simons will be better than Curry. But there's no way Simons replicates Curry next season. Experience matters.
 
BBert said:
Exactly. Ultimately I believe Simons will be better than Curry. But there's no way Simons replicates Curry next season. Experience matters.
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He might be better. Not from 3 but overall
 
KingSpeed said:
Simons didn’t look like a 2-3 years away from being a journeyman project on closing night.
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I think maybe you forgot how much a lottery team scored on him in the first half. Seriously? What team gives up almost 90 points in a half?
This was against the Kings no less?
 
kjironman1 said:
I think maybe you forgot how much a lottery team scored on him in the first half. Seriously? What team gives up almost 90 points in a half?
This was against the Kings no less?
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KingSpeed said:
Simons didn’t seem bad on defense by the way. He’s got long arms and he can move. The first half was rough on closing night cuz Kings couldn’t miss but from the time I’ve seen him on the defensive end of the court, he looks good.
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Sometimes teams don’t miss. He wasn’t getting beat.

What team gives up 72 points in 19 minutes of a home playoff game? The Defending Champs. That’s much worse than what we did on closing night in my opinion. Oh and how did we win that game? We must’ve played sensational D in the second half by definition.
 
Wait, we are talking about Blazer back-court defense? Let the first GOOD Blazers guard defender cast the first stone.
 
You guys are putting very unrealistic expectations on a 20 year old project that had a good game without any pressure whatsoever on him. Last game of the year against a team that was poor at best. Sure he had a good game. 2-3 years until he is NBA ready.

Even more so. Good teams play with veteran players. The Blazers are good and getting better because of their time together and the years they have now. Not one starter under 6 years. If they try to bring Simmons in he will struggle for at least a year IMO.

Edit- Not one starter under 6 years.
 
kjironman1 said:
I think maybe you forgot how much a lottery team scored on him in the first half. Seriously? What team gives up almost 90 points in a half?
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The Warriors in the playoffs, apparently...
 
TBpup said:
Wait, we are talking about Blazer back-court defense? Let the first GOOD Blazers guard defender cast the first stone.
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Well you have a point there.

KingSpeed said:
hat team gives up 72 points in 19 minutes of a home playoff game? The Defending Champs.
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You have a point here also....

That was crazy last night? Total meltdown.
 
KingSpeed said:
37 points and 9 assists has been done by three teenagers in NBA history. LeBron, Durant, and Simons.
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I just think we better curb some expectations before crowning him the next KING or Durantula.
Lets hope he matures and plays well. I certainly hope he can replace Curry because it looks like he is gonna have to. My preference would be to find a way to keep Curry for at least another year. he is the solid player off the bench teams MUST account for.
 
kjironman1 said:
You guys are putting very unrealistic expectations on a 20 year old project that had a good game without any pressure whatsoever on him. Last game of the year against a team that was poor at best. Sure he had a good game. 2-3 years until he is NBA ready.

Even more so. Good teams play with veteran players. The Blazers are good and getting better because of their time together and the years they have now. Not one starter under 6 years. If they try to bring Simmons in he will struggle for at least a year IMO.

Edit- Not one starter under 6 years.
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Kings wanted 40 wins. He was doing this against Fox, considered one of the top young PGs in the league. Kings were the biggest surprise of the league nearly earning a winning season. Simons showed us he is , at worst, “NBA ready.” Simons was insanely efficient in that game and had only 2 turnovers and we won and it had huge playoff implications that could be responsible for who wins the championship this year. That win over the Kings completely threw a wrench into the playoff bracket.
 
KingSpeed said:
Kings wanted 40 wins. He was doing this against Fox, considered one of the top young PGs in the league. Kings were the biggest surprise of the league nearly earning a winning season. Simons showed us he is , at worst, “NBA ready.” Simons was insanely efficient in that game and had only 2 turnovers and we won and it had huge playoff implications that could be responsible for who wins the championship this year. That win over the Kings completely threw a wrench into the playoff bracket.
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Still would rather have Curry. No moving me on that. Sorry.
 
kjironman1 said:
Well you have a point there.



You have a point here also....

That was crazy last night? Total meltdown.
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Unbelievable. Put pressure on Warriors and they fold in playoffs. Down 3, Curry can’t do it. I’ve seen this before. Even Kevin Love can rattle the guy.

 
kjironman1 said:
Still would rather have Curry. No moving me on that. Sorry.
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I’d definitely like to keep Curry. Def better shooter than Simons. And sneaky good defender. But if we can’t keep Curry (Brooklyn, NYC, LAL, and LAC will have lots of money to spend), I’m fine with Simons getting 18 mpg.
 
kjironman1 said:
I just think we better curb some expectations before crowning him the next KING or Durantula.
Lets hope he matures and plays well. I certainly hope he can replace Curry because it looks like he is gonna have to. My preference would be to find a way to keep Curry for at least another year. he is the solid player off the bench teams MUST account for.
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Absolutely rein in the expectations from one NBA game.

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A player who can get 37/9 in his first NBA start against ANYONE on an NBA roster....I can get excited about that and thing there is possibility for something in the not-too-distant future.
 
TBpup said:
Absolutely rein in the expectations from one NBA game.

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A player who can get 37/9 in his first NBA start against ANYONE on an NBA roster....I can get excited about that and thing there is possibility for something in the not-too-distant future.
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Also, while reigning in expectations after one game, we also - as your stats pointed out - must realize that Curry is not the linchpin to our success. He's a great shooter, yes. And Ed was a great rebounder. Curry's loss will be felt about as strongly as Ed's was.
 
blue9 said:
Also, while reigning in expectations after one game, we also - as your stats pointed out - must realize that Curry is not the linchpin to our success. He's a great shooter, yes. And Ed was a great rebounder. Curry's loss will be felt about as strongly as Ed's was.
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I like Davis a lot, but I think shooting is a more important skill these days than rebounding. Curry's a role-player, but exactly the sort Portland needs more of. Competent defensively and an excellent floor-spacer on offense.
 
TBpup said:
Completely agree. Although we may get to see flashes, just not the experience yet. HOWEVER, with my rose colored glasses, I ask, 'when was the last time Curry had 37/9 against anyone no matter how bad the team was?' #Potential
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I basically agree with you; but we could also ask: When has Curry played 48 minutes without Lillard, McCollum or Turner on the court?
 
If Paul were still with us, I'd say have him send an elite mercenary team to free Enis' family and smuggle them out of the country, employing one of Paul's submarines, helicopters, and yachts, while Paul stands on the bow riffing on his Strat like the dude strapped to the front of the truck in the last Road Warrior movie.

I wonder if Jodie would be down with that?

They could strap @Orion Bailey to the bow for the guitar bit.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
Only way to keep him is via the MLE, so it will depend on how much he might be offered elsewhere. Bear in mind that our MLE will be of the taxpayer variety, so there will be many teams that can outbid us for his services.

If he really wants to stay here, and embraces his role as the back half of the Nurk-n-Turk center rotation, then he could theoretically sign here for one year at tax-MLE level, with the "promise" of us re-signing him next year to a much larger deal summer 2020, but that would be a lot of risk for him.
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How much can we offer him in 2020?

We have to retain him at any cost, i fucking love him, he's a double-double machine and, no offense to Nurk, but it's so refreshing seeing a guy finishing easily at the rim thanks to his good hands and footwork.

Last year people screamed at Olshey for losing Ed Davis but honestly he wasn't that much of a loss, but Kanter.... MAN, RETAIN HIM OLSHEY PLEASEEEEEEE
 
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Portland2014 said:
How much can we offer him in 2020?

We have to retain him at any cost, i fucking love him, he's a double-double machine and, no offense to Nurk, but it's so refreshing seeing a guy finishing easily at the rim thanks to his good hands and footwork.

Last year people screamed at Olshey for losing Ed Davis but honestly he wasn't that much of a loss, but Kanter.... MAN, RETAIN HIM OLSHEY PLEASEEEEEEE
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if he takes a discount and signs a 1-year MLE this summer, then in 2020 we would be able to offer him about 40M/4y using his early bird exception, irrespective of our cap status. That's best-case scenario, IMO.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
if he takes a discount and signs a 1-year MLE this summer, then in 2020 we would be able to offer him about 40M/4y using his early bird exception, irrespective of our cap status. That's best-case scenario, IMO.
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wow, that seems fair!

I think he owe us his first big contract so i would be disappointed if he won't accept.

He'll also have the starting role given Nurk's injury.

C'mon Enes, we were made for each other!
 
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