Trade Grades: Blazers Send Mason Plumlee To Nuggets For Jusuf Nurkic

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  1. Scalma

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    Yeah, Meyers contract isn't shit either. If every player in the league was a free agent last summer, no one would even complain about Leonards contract. Just wait a year or two.
     
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    Davis, Ezeli, and Meyers. I just cleared what, 24m? I also would trade one of Aminu/Harkless before Crabbe.
     
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    Salary cap management amounts to Robbing Peter to Pay Paul. We robbed our coffers to sign everyone. Now, we are paying by having to give up our third best player.

    I like Nurkic, but at the end of next year, we'll have to pay HIM. So, the shell game continues, and we put things off for an extra year.

    I like the pick, but some are too excited by this. A pick in the low 20s in a great draft is still a low pick in the 20s. Hopefully, we'll use it in conjunction with our other "assets."
     
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    The 21st pick isn't "low 20s" and this draft is deep.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The problem with Leonard is that he can't really play. Maybe there's some sucker GM out there that thinks all he needs is a change of scenery, but if you can't lock up meaningful minutes in this front-court, how's that going to go somewhere else? His only bankable skill is shooting the three ball (with a glacially slow release) and he ain't hitting shit this year.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leoname01.html
    That is one bad fucking player.
     
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    If you think Crabbe's contract is reasonable for a starting SG, why wouldn't Mason at $16M be reasonable?
     
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    I agree on Aminu simply because he won't get better.... Harkless though is a year younger than Crabbe locked up on a more favorable contract, Scores at an almost identical rate, but is a much better rebounder and defender. Harkless also has a higher PER.
     
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    Harkless is far superior to Crabbe. People here love their 3 point shooters
     
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    Because Plumlee has two major problems.

    1) He isn't really a scorer.

    2) He isn't really a good defender or shot blocker.

    To be a quality starting center, you either need to be a rim protector or a scorer. Plumlee isn't really good at either thing. He's an exceptional passer for a center, and he has a high BBIQ, but those things don't cancel out the fact that he's not good at the core responsibilities of a center.
     
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    Crabbe has more than 2 major problems. The result is that Plumlee is more versatile at center than Crabbe is at guard. Even if they were of equal quality, the center should be paid double that of the easily-replaced, dime-a-dozen guard. But they aren't equal quality. There are Crabbes in the D-League, not 6-7 granted, but 6-4.
     
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    I think Nurkic will fit in pretty quickly in our offense. He'll set better screens than anybody since Przybilla. He really can't help doing so because he's just so damned big. As much as we appreciated Plumlee's passing, you don't need to be as clever a passer if you just wiped out a defender with 280 pounds of belligerent eastern european badassery.

    We just planted a massive oak tree in our front court that our two guards will run around all night. CJ alone will get a couple easy midrangers just by standing in his shadow. At the end of the night the defenders chasing Dame and CJ will feel it in their joints.

    Damon Stoudamire got a lot of buckets off Sabonis picks. I'm looking forward to a lot more of that.

    On the defensive end, well, I don't think we'll be a lot better at first, but maybe a little. But the guy is young and has the kind of arrogant mindset that defensive big men traditionally have. Except for Aminu, we don't really have another player on the team who takes any pride at all in defense. I can see that changing with Nurkic.
     
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    By virtue of being a Blazer, he'll rack up fouls at twice the rate he ever did on Denver. We'll be lucky if he can log 10 mpg.
     
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    The only "low 20s" pick lower than 21 is 20....but I totally get what you/they meant. Just messin' with the English language. :breakdance:
     
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    This is exactly what we need if we get it from Nurk. I've been on this guy's bandwagon for a while, but soured on him after he completely fell out of rotation in DEN. Hopefully, he can rekindle what he did earlier in his career.

    Also, he looks a bit out of shape to me. Terry agrees with me about the shape thing.

     
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    By virtue of being a Blazer, we've doomed his knees (or, potentially, feet) if he ever becomes really good. That puts us in a moral dilemma--do we root for him to become really good to help the team, knowing we're indirectly rooting for the destruction of a human being or do we root for him to suck, for his sake?

    Things just got complicated.
     
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    I put a little comparable list together of Nurk vs other former Blazers (plus Pekovic, who he kind of reminds me of a little.)
    Pek and Sabas I put in first years (since I feel they were much closer to finished products entering the league), LA/Joel/Mason/Nurk I put in second years.

    You look at Per 36 stats and it's hard not to get excited about Nurkic:
    http://bkref.com/tiny/DLc4S

    He's a better rebounder than all but Sabas, 2nd in blocks (to Joel), and third in scoring (to LA and Sabas).

    It's a small sample size for Nurkic, given he only played 32 games last year. But he seems to be well ahead of the curve to where Plums, Joel and Pek were. Seems to be more on the "front court cornerstone" career path so far than "fringe starting center" path.
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Fuck Meyers Leonard sucks.
     
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    The concern with Nurkic is that, while he scored a fair amount per minute, his scoring efficiency is absolutely terrible and he has a very high turnover rate. That's driving his very bad Offensive Ratings.

    He does seem to be a very capable rebounder and shot-blocker, though. And a decent passer.
     

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