Trade Idea Who would realistically be a suitor for Simons or Nurk?

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  1. tykendo

    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Their guards are very inconsistent shooters. Maybe the reason their coach goes with the guard of the day rotation ( Fultz, Anthony, Suggs).
     
  2. WesleyMatthews

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    I didn't say Drummond in that post lol?

    In another thread I mentioned Drummond, but as a 15mpg veteran minimum big so Draymond wouldn't have to start at center.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    So only cities that end in O?
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    My bad. I guess is saw Dr and got scared. I can't believe i thought you mentioned Drummond again. That's how much seeing his name damaged me the first time.
     
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    Simons while I would've made him get an offer to match if I were GM, I might be able to accept the logic, as the thinking could be that an Indy type team was going to give a huge close to max deal to him as they did with Ayton, so the Blazers overpaid a few million to avoid the risk of that happening.

    Nurk is the contract with no explanation. He is injury prone, much older, a position that is more and more irrelevant, and had zero teams that would make an offer. The Blazers shouldn't have gone much above the full MLE. Instead they locked him up for 70 million which was a move right out of Neil Olsheys worst possible moves playbook.

    The Blazers are hurt today by the decision just as 2016 free agency hurt the Blazers for 4 years. Trading partners won't want to take on Nurks contract, so even if a star is finally available in a trade the Blazers will have to fork over additional assets than what they should have.

    I suspect Dame may have pushed the Blazers to give Nurk that 70 million. So it's very hypocritical of him pushing for that, then putting pressure on the organization to bring in win now vets. If the Blazers hadn't overpaid Nurk, they would be in a better position to get Dame that veteran help he desires.
     
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    No.
    Portland is not getting WCJ and #11 for Ant.

    Also, they have enough cap space that it can be #11 for Ant. No additional players required.

    If Portland leverages that cap space right, they could get a nice player back. Maybe something like John Collins for #23...
     
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    tykendo Don't Tread On PDX

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    Nice that you mentioned John Collins. He might be able to be acquired for that late round pick. He's in bad need of a new home. It's just not working there chemistry wise. He could be one of those hidden gens this offseason.
     
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    Simons here - as a backup.

    Let him have the green light. He’d thrive in a Manu type of role.

    I doubt his ego would allow this though. But he’d be an elite 6th man.
     
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    Atlanta is also projected to be ~$15M in the tax before FA even begins.
    Rumor is that their owner is notoriously cheap, and will not want to pay the tax. If they can dump Collins money, they could be ~$10M below the tax and use the pick + MLE to round out their roster.

    Something like this:

    Orlando
    #11 -> Ant

    Atlanta
    Collins -> #23

    Portland
    Ant + 23 -> Collins + 11


    ***Edit*** I'd actually try and swap #23 with Indiana for #26 & #32. #26 could go to Atlanta & I'd keep 32 for Portland's new G-League team.
     
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    Realistically I could see deal for OG & some for Simons. OG has a decent contract and would fit nicely. Raps will probably need to get another scoring guard too.
     
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    If Jaylen Brown was starting at SG I think we could get Ant to buyin to a 6th man role being the third guard with him and Dame. But if Sharpe or Thybulle are starting then no, I don't think Ant would be ok as a backup.
     
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    They were bidding against pissing off them or their agents and risking have them bet on themselves elsewhere for a one year deal and losing them for nothing. Same thing will happen with Grant.

    This is how small market, high income tax teams are behind the 8 ball. Always have to pay a premium unless you have a title contender.
     
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    With Dame (super max), Brown (future max), and Grant ($30+m/yr), you can't pay $20m for a backup.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Might as well start now, in this economy.
     
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    To improve the Blazers, a trade partner will have to want to become the Blazers.

    the GM said he'll vigorously be on the phone with teams "looking to take a step back."

    what NBA teams want to rid themselves of high salaries to tank for a pick, what are the options?

    Wizards (Beal/Porzingus)
    Bulls (DeRozan/LaVine)
    Timberwolves (Gobert/Kat)

    there will be more to add to this list by summer, Blazer fans just need to wait for the boring & stupid good teams to finish up beating the crap out of each other.
     
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    I think because we overpaid both that Ant has some value on the trade market and Nurk has neutral value... not so bad of a contract that you have to attach a pick but not enough impact in games that he's worth more than he is owed.

    That being said Ant should add value to a trade and Nurk should be really good salary filler to any trade to a team that doesn't already have a glut of traditional (aka outdated) centers (see Minnesota). I expect that both of them will be gone or reported to be gone on draft day along with our first round picks and probably some future picks. The question of who out of 29 teams is a bit odd, all teams are in flux in the off season so any of the teams could be the destination for Ant or Nurk. Both are likely very important rotation players on any team but on contending teams overpaid players coming off the bench.
     
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    This is pretty much my preferred direction this summer anyway. Keep the pick and draft the best player available then move Nurk and Simons for players that fit better.
    I think the tough and risky move here is moving away from Simons. He's really good and is only going to get better. Not sure how much interest Nurkic will get but he does have some value and plays well at times. Maybe even would flourish in a new situation?
     
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    Why would we trade Nurk? He's on a reasonable contract and moving him would only make our already small team smaller. It doesn't make any sense.
     
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    I tend to agree. His contract is not unreasonable for his production. If we get a serviceable backup to account for Nurk's absence during injury, we should be OK. Like we chose last yr to go after a 6'2 Payton while Hartenstein was available. Makes no sense.

    That said, it's clear that our coach also asks Nurk to do things that he's not suited to. Getting a rim runner who can finish lobs and is mobile enough to switch on the perimeter would be more ideal for Chauncey. I'm still uncertain how acceptable it is for a novice coach like Billups to be so inflexible but we aren't getting rid of him anytime soon.
     

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