Harkless resolves after Crabbe decision?

Blazinaway · Jul 10, 2016

when do we start getting serious and not wait for another team to make an offer? I'd guess we are waiting for the Crabbe situation to resolve today. I assume we want him back, although if we keep Crabbe I have to wonder about keeping Hark. Probably one or the other given Crabbes huge offer.

MightyMouseOps1 · Jul 10, 2016

I love both hark and Crabbe but if I had to choose between the two I would choose Harkless. Bigger, longer, better defender, and more athletic. He is better in transition and I believe it is easier to find a shooter than a 6 ft 9 wing who can defend, aggressively attack the rim, and hit an open 3.

THE HCP · Jul 10, 2016

Thread worthy topic...... I THINK NOT FAMS! Denny!

Natebishop3 · Jul 10, 2016

I suspect Harkless is next.

Schilly · Jul 10, 2016

I think they will try to get Harkless signed before they match so nobody can throw a toxic contract at him.

Driew · Jul 10, 2016

Schilly said:
I think they will try to get Harkless signed before they match so nobody can throw a toxic contract at him.

Yeah that's exactly my thoughts on it as well. See if we can sign harkless and Meyers then match if we plan on matching.

Chris Craig · Jul 10, 2016

https://mobile.twitter.com/jwquick

Mo Harkless looking to resolve contract..the 1 year qualifying is in play

Mediocre Man · Jul 10, 2016

Need to take care if this and I'll be happy

OneLifeToLive · Jul 10, 2016

Mediocre Man said:
Need to take care if this and I'll be happy

Yep, I love Mo as well. Crabbe, Harmless and Davis turned out be really nice surprises last year for the team. I see some in here are open to trading Davis. Plume would be gone before Davis.

santeesioux · Jul 10, 2016

I'll be surprised if we don't have this resolved today.

BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 · Jul 10, 2016

Please Neil give Hark 4/41 too. Or at least a multi year deal.

Schilly · Jul 10, 2016

Without going really deep into the numbers it appears we have about $8.8 mil til we hit the luxury tax for this season. I think Harkless is probably $10-$12 for this season meaning we really wouldn't be diving to headlong into the tax... For now. Next season is a completely different story but I think I will not worry about that until say February at the earliest.

Natebishop3 · Jul 10, 2016

Hoping for around 10 million per year for Harkless.

Sinobas · Jul 10, 2016

Schilly said:
Without going really deep into the numbers it appears we have about $8.8 mil til we hit the luxury tax for this season. I think Harkless is probably $10-$12 for this season meaning we really wouldn't be diving to headlong into the tax... For now. Next season is a completely different story but I think I will not worry about that until say February at the earliest.

Next season we'll be maxing cj

Schilly · Jul 10, 2016

Sinobas said:
Next season we'll be maxing cj

Of that there is no doubt.

42N8Bounce · Jul 10, 2016

Schilly said:
Without going really deep into the numbers it appears we have about $8.8 mil til we hit the luxury tax for this season. I think Harkless is probably $10-$12 for this season meaning we really wouldn't be diving to headlong into the tax... For now. Next season is a completely different story but I think I will not worry about that until say February at the earliest.

I just posted this in the stickied Blazers Salary Cap Info thread:

Here are my current calcs for where the Blazers will be next year (2017-18):
- Assumed CAP: $102,000,000
- Assumed Tax Level: $122,000,000
- Assumed CJ will get max contract
- Assume Plumlee extension: $12,000,000

Damian Lillard, $26,070,900
CJ McCollum, $23,908,071 (max assumed)
Allen Crabbe, $18,500,000
Evan Turner, $17,131,148
Mason Plumlee, $12,000,000 (assumed)
Meyers Leonard, $9,904,494
Al-Farouq Aminu, $7,319,035
Festus Ezeli, $7,330,000
Ed Davis, $6,352, 531
Noah Vonleh, $3,505,233
Shabazz Napier, $2,361,360
Pat Connaughton, $1,014,746
Jake Layman, $905,249
Louis Montero, $1,014,756
Mo Harkless, ?
Anderson Varejao (waived-stretched), $1,984,005

Total Salaries: $140,988,997

With the tax level at $122,000,000, the Blazers will be over the tax limit by $18,988,997. That will cause a tax penalty of:
$7.5M (first $5M over) + $8.75M (second $5M over) + $12.5M (third $5M over) + $3.25 x $3,988,997 = $41.75M

By matching Crabbe's offer, we've essentially guaranteed we won't be bringing Plumlee and/or Harkless back in 2017-18, or a significant cost savings trade has to happen.

Natebishop3 · Jul 10, 2016

42N8Bounce said:
I just posted this in the stickied Blazers Salary Cap Info thread:

Here are my current calcs for where the Blazers will be next year (2017-18):
- Assumed CAP: $102,000,000
- Assumed Tax Level: $122,000,000
- Assumed CJ will get max contract
- Assume Plumlee extension: $12,000,000

Damian Lillard, $26,070,900
CJ McCollum, $23,908,071 (max assumed)
Allen Crabbe, $18,500,000
Evan Turner, $17,131,148
Mason Plumlee, $12,000,000 (assumed)
Meyers Leonard, $9,904,494
Al-Farouq Aminu, $7,319,035
Festus Ezeli, $7,330,000
Ed Davis, $6,352, 531
Noah Vonleh, $3,505,233
Shabazz Napier, $2,361,360
Pat Connaughton, $1,014,746
Jake Layman, $905,249
Louis Montero, $1,014,756
Mo Harkless, ?
Anderson Varejao (waived-stretched), $1,984,005

Total Salaries: $140,988,997

With the tax level at $122,000,000, the Blazers will be over the tax limit by $18,988,997. That will cause a tax penalty of:
$7.5M (first $5M over) + $8.75M (second $5M over) + $12.5M (third $5M over) + $3.25 x $3,988,997 = $41.75M

By matching Crabbe's offer, we've essentially guaranteed we won't be bringing Plumlee and/or Harkless back in 2017-18, or a significant cost savings trade has to happen.

Or... you know... Paul will just pay the tax?

Sinobas · Jul 10, 2016

If Ezeli stays healthy, Plumlee might be the odd man out. If we have Davis/Ezeli and Aminu/Leonard Plumlee would be the 5th wheel.

Schilly · Jul 10, 2016

There's more to it than just the tax $$ spent though. You start losing exceptions and stricter trade regulations kick in. But that's only a factor if the team is over the luxury tax 3 of 4 years.

Sinobas · Jul 10, 2016

Natebishop3 said:
Or... you know... Paul will just pay the tax?

So far, he's been avoiding it. I only think he'd do that if he thought the team was in prime position to conetend.

KeepOnRollin · Jul 10, 2016

I have a feeling that Mo is gone either after this year (if he takes the QO) or as soon as this summer (if someone throws him an offer). The tax ramifications basically made it a he or Crabbe decision and the front office has chosen Crabbe. So we aren't going to match anything that is over 10 MIL per imo.

It makes me a little said. I went into this as Mo being the one I wanted to keep the most out of the 3 (with Crabbe second) but I also understand why POR did this. They almost had to.

Sarni · Jul 10, 2016

I think he will stay for one more year at least, we only got him for a 2nd round pick last year and I really don't think he will get a huge offer this Summer. I want us to keep him but honestly not sure how that would work from 2017-18 onwards, we cannot really let him go either because that'd make us very short in small forward position. We really ought to trade some of our bigs for SF/PF, right? We have 4 centers!

maxiep · Jul 10, 2016

I think we re-sign Harkless and then bank on a massive consolidation trade.

MickZagger · Jul 10, 2016

Love me some Harkless. Great size, versatility, upside at his age and his skill set is valuable in this league. Its a no-brainer you have to re-sign him.

Eastoff · Jul 11, 2016

Has anyone heard any new rumblings about harkless?

Natebishop3 · Jul 11, 2016

Eastoff said:
Has anyone heard any new rumblings about harkless?

Nope. It has been very quiet.

TBpup · Jul 11, 2016

FWIW....

Lakers and Nets have been rumored to be considering an offer for Harkless but nothing yet. Nets have a ton of cap space and no one to spend it on.

Natebishop3 · Jul 11, 2016

TBpup said:
FWIW....

Lakers and Nets have been rumored to be considering an offer for Harkless but nothing yet. Nets have a ton of cap space and no one to spend it on.

We all joked about it, but would anyone really be surprised if Brooklyn gave him the same deal they gave Crabbe?

Sarni · Jul 11, 2016

Natebishop3 said:
We all joked about it, but would anyone really be surprised if Brooklyn gave him the same deal they gave Crabbe?

I don't think they need Harkless like they needed Crabbe. It'd be money poorly spent, they'd be better off if they kept money and absorbed some poor contracts across the league for picks.

B-Roy · Jul 11, 2016

Natebishop3 said:
We all joked about it, but would anyone really be surprised if Brooklyn gave him the same deal they gave Crabbe?

The deal was ridiculous for Crabbe, but even more so for Harkless. They can have him if that's the case.

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