Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  1. Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

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  2. Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

    8.3%
  3. Yes for scrubs

    47.2%
  4. Not at any price

    44.4%
  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Dame, CJ, Love would be all kinds of shitty defense
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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  3. JoshuaHall

    JoshuaHall Well-Known Member

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    No. I don’t know where you get that idea — in fact — I related the scenario to another absurdly young player in Jermaine O’Neal.

    But, here is my opinion:

    Simons has a lot more potential than *most* for a couple reasons.

    A) Age.

    B) Height, athleticism, length.

    C) Given the MASSSSSSSIVE disadvantages he had not playing organized ball OR college ball AND still looking decent in Summer League, Practice (from all reports and players bringing him up randomly) and in limited game time (while being the youngest, frailest MFer on the court) I think he has a pretty solid *chance* at turning into *something*. Has a decent shot, can dribble, get to the rim, too.

    Did I mention he was cooking players that had MUCH more experience and size than him? I don’t care who it was against.

    Go find me someone who didn’t play organized ball, missed college, and can come cook “borderline” NBA players as a rookie.

    What he did is very, very unique.

    And frankly, I don’t know why’d you mention him in the same breath as Gary Trent Jr. who played a full season under one of the best coaches and programs of all time.

    Way different environments.

    And If Simons went to Duke and played a full year, I’d bet my house he would’ve lit it up.

    Dropping 30+ — no matter who you are — as a baby in the NBA is fucking impressive for all the reasons I listed above. He had NO experience!! Couldn’t even play HS if I recall so played pick up games!
     
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    Jerryd Bayless had T Rex arms, absolutely no vision, and once again...

    Played an entire season of college basketball and was coached by an elite coach.

    Not. Even. Comparable.

    Simons situation is EXTREMELY unique.
     
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    Gotcha.

    Well, consider me one of the people who isn’t trying to find out how good he is on another team.

    Doesn’t mean I think he is a sure thing or close to it. I’m just not ready to cast him aside yet.
     
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    Being a first round pick without playing a year of ball is pretty impressive.

    Also, if you recall, quite a few people last year were saying “he would be a lotto pick this year, absolute steal.”

    I would imagine those same scouts and front offices weren’t expecting him to play given the restraints he had to overcome — such as size — not having a year of coaching — and going from shitty HS COMP to NBA players.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    How is he any different from any other player who made the jump straight from high school? At this point, even saying he is the next Travis Outlaw is just optimistic speculation.
     
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    Fair enough. I wouldn't throw him into a meaningless deal, but I wouldn't reject an impact deal over including him either.
     
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    Yeah, it wouldn’t be great because they both received coaching and played either overseas or in college.

    We essentially took a flier on a HS kid. Kinda like Luis Montero.

    It’s not overvaluing or undervaluing. It’s we don’t know what the fuck we have — and at his age and LACK of experience — has showed more than either of those players.

    Have either of them dropped 30 in a game?

    They’ve both received more coaching AND experience.

    They are more known quantities.

    Simons isn’t. And in his little time playing — has accomplished things those players have not — as far as my knowledge.

    And is much younger.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    It’s not really. Plenty of guys came straight from high school before the 1 and done rule, and plenty busted.

    If the one and done rule were to be abolished you would see probably more of the same.

    I wouldn’t get too attached to the hype, you can find someone willing to say anything.
     
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    He isn’t, except he sat out a year and didn’t play or receiving coaching while the others got to, yknow, join NBA teams.

    Did Outlaw drop 30 as a rookie straight outta HS?
     
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    Except they didn’t have to sit out a year with no coaching or playing games.

    And how many of them dropped 30?
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I don’t understand how the first point makes him more likely to succeed.

    and I put almost no stock in him dropping 30 in a meaningless game while playing 48 minutes. Chalk it up to the end of season stat boost for scrubs that get a chance to play. If you do, fine, but I kind of roll my eyes.
     
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    yuck!
    Kevin Love as a Blazer is disgusting.

    I know he was carried to a championship, but i dont think the guy is a winner and his body is cooked.
     
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    And plenty of them didn’t bust... by my count...

    Kwame Brown
    Eddy Curry
    Sebastian Telfair
    Leon Smith
    Korleone Young

    Those are the busts, if you factor in draft position.
     
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    Because if he can DROP 30 on NBA players having NO advanced b-ball experience or coaching — that means he has a brighter future WITH that coaching, right? At least that’s how I see it.

    Kinda like a guy who starts playing baseball at 17 and throws 95 with shit mechanics.

    If you’re a baseball scout, you’d assume, with proper coaching, weight room, more experience ... you could probably make him a little better, right? Since he’s never been coached before — at an elite level.

    Consider us different than. Find me another rookie who dropped 30 — under the same circumstances I gave above.

    It’s not like we are the only team with a young rookie who had a chance to play scrubs.
     
  17. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Here is the list of teenage rookies to score 30 in a game. Uncle Cliffy is right at the top, incidentally.

    http://bkref.com/tiny/FZxML
     
  18. JoshuaHall

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    Also, I’ll admit part of it is the eye test. Dude can ball. Doesn’t look off balance, too slow, not athletic enough, etc.

    It’s not like he was getting his shit beat in
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I really just put no stock in that 30 point game....at all. But okay, I understand.
     
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    And if you narrow it down to didn’t play college or overseas...

    You get Jr Smith and LeBron James

    And the rest of the company in that list isn’t too bad.

    But if it’s so easy to drop 30+ as a rookie against scrubs, why aren’t more doing it??
     
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