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Right....

John Stockton maxed out the quota, they're all trash now...

 

I doubt he will ever be a 3 and D guy, but considering he only took four 3's all year, isn't it safe to say his deep ball has probably improved a little? Plus he has only been practicing from NBA range for a month. I think the video could change his stock. I think it at least shows he has potential to extend his range....... after another year or so. My expectations for him were pretty low in the NBA, so for me I am pleasantly surprised.

 

I didn't see anything I like watch him play a little bit wasn't impress.

 

Magnificent people find themselves in all sorts of situations, that's not necessarily to say that those situations create magnificent people. Dame and CJ's circumstances led them to their respective colleges, that doesn't mean the next player to come out of Weber St or Lehigh will be the next Dame or CJ. The logic works both ways, just because we haven't seen a Lillard or McCollum come out of Gonzaga recently doesn't mean it can't/won't happen, but the circumstance of a player while it may have an impact on shaping who they are does not determine who they are. You've got to see where the skepticism comes from, it's the same skepticism which kept Dame and CJ from being drafted where they should have been in hindsight.

 

I don't see where the skepticism comes from. I watch a player for what that player does on the court, not for what brand associated with the prospect. Look at the Spurs for example of this. Outside of Duncan, they have built a championship on the backs of guys like Manu who was a late 2nd round pick, Tony Parker a late 1st. Kawhi Leonard made it out of San Diego St.

Good players come from all different places. University of Portland I'm sure at some point will have a HOF candidate hooper. Its just shitty logic. Something someone can grasp onto who isn't really concerned with evaluating a player for what he is and instead just wants to lump into some kind of group because they're lazy.

 

Exactly this.

I'd love to see a GM defend a draft pick with: "He's black, so we figured he'd be better than the white guy who was rated just as highly. That was the deciding factor."

Talk about fired on the spot.

 

I saw somewhere that Rabb, Thornwell, Brooks and Ferguson will work out with us. Rabb and Ferguson are projected to go around the same spots that we have (Ferguson should be available with 15 and could be available with 20, Rabb could be get at 20 and 26 probably) but Brooks and Thornwell are both projected as second round picks. I wonder if they are going to move up or maybe we anticipate to also buy picks in the second round too.

 

The difference is that there have been multiple examples, as opposed to the single examples you gave.

At some point Boeheim will be gone, and things will change.

It's certainly not 100% either. Rony Seikely was a good player who helped his team win. Coleman and Melo bith very good players. Just don't help their teams win.

Brad Miller was a solid player.

Just IMO, bust chances are higher for my stereotypes

 

Fact is, that white guy probably wouldn't be rated just as highly because of the bias below:

Happens every year. It's called 'limited athleticism' in GM speak - even if the minority is less athletic. Perception. Doesn't have the foot speed to play defense. Just a shooter. Essentially, look at everything said about Luke Kennard, JJ Redick, Jimmer.

Now compare that to similar players who have 'limited athleticism but use it well, crafty finisher'.

Just because something is a lazy comparison on the surface doesn't make it not true; hell, Calipari has his line on not recruiting anyone that's not poor because it's all they have.

I'm sure he is a lazy evaluator of talent and recruiter, certainly doesn't appear to be working for him at all. Or he just found a system that successfully mitigates risk based on his years of experience.

I'm sure if Prime-Sabonis was at Syracuse and they were crushing people MM would at least look at him. But, you're also hard pressed to find any 'big white guys' that put up near the numbers of Lillard or McCollum in college; I would say even more hard pressed to find one nearly as dominant as them when they took the court, especially facing double and triple teams, especially in McCollums case.

Larry Bird on the topic:

http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1818396

NBA GM on the Topic:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ricky-Rubio-1155/

Some scouts still question his athleticism and perimeter shooting, with one GM we spoke to recently going as far as to say that he would “never draft a white guy.”

 

Would you trade Crabbe for Orlando's no. 33 and no. 35 picks? Not saying they would want to do that but they could be a good trade partner for a second rounder. They had Aminu and Harkless on that famous targets list posted earlier in the year. Aminu for no. 33 or 35 would be great.

 

Of course. Before his surgery, this is exactly the type of trade I expected we would make. Nothing against Crabbe but we can't afford him. And he had enough great games last season for teams with cap space (and little FA opportunities) to trade for him.

 

I'd do that trade so fast.

Even for just one of them.

 

I'd trade Crabbe for nothing but cap relief, if a team wanted to eat his full salary. Two second rounders on top of that would make it an amazing deal.

My worry is that they'll have to attach assets to Crabbe to dump his salary.

 

Good point about his surgery. Team may take a chance, still. Trading Aminu for one of those picks could be good too. Would allow us to shed a bit of salary and in general I feel we could balance the roster a bit this way.

Meyers for a mid or late second rounder would be so tremendous too.

 

We are meeting with Zach Collins apparently. He is projected higher than 15 but I doubt we trade up that 3-4 spots for him, would be tough to do. Maybe he will fall.

 

Draft Express write up on 2nd day of combine 5 on 5's. Frank Mason and Tyler Dorsey mentioned again but the guy helping himself the most is Jonathan Jeanne.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/

 

i would do that trade, i would pick sindarius thornwell and johnathan motley

 

His contract is ridiculous but three point shooters are at a premium higher than ever.

 

Only if they can do other things in addition to shooting. Otherwise, Anthony Morrow would be a premium player and he isn't. Mostly because he's a really poor defender, like Crabbe.

The Nets offered Crabbe so much because (I would guess) they hoped he was on the verge of a breakout, and could be a three-and-D who could slash to the hoop effectively. If that's what Crabbe was, he might be worth the offer. Instead, he didn't progress at all this year and is still (mostly) just a spot-up shooter with no defense.