Merged: |0fficial| Trade Deadline

With less than four months away to the deadline I figured, you know, what better time to start this thread?

As constructed this team is CJ/Dame with THIRTEEN role players.

Neil has to get an alpha dog. Even if it means packaging Noah Vonleh.

GO!

Yup we need a 3rd guy bad to form a legitimate big 3.. good news is we have depth like a muthafucka and with that Cle pick we can work something out

I would give up any and all of Leonard, Plumlee (only due to his big contract coming), the CLE 1st rounder, Aminu (I feel Vonleh can fill the role at 90% now and 110% later), and Project Pat (just as a throw in if needed to balance salaries) to get someone significant. Of those, Aminu is probably least likely moved. The real problem though isn't what we have that we could probably give up, the real problem is that teams just don't trade big time players unless those players specifically ask to be moved and are going to throw a fit if they aren't.

I'd prefer to see Meyers gone

Meyers + Crabbe are the two that I'd like to see moved in a consolidation trade.

Would like to see Okafor in a Blazers Uni somehow.

Fez Hammersticks said:

With less than four months away to the deadline I figured, you know, what better time to start this thread?

As constructed this team is CJ/Dame with THIRTEEN role players.

Neil has to get an alpha dog. Even if it means packaging Noah Vonleh.

GO!

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So what's Dame? Not an alpha dog?

Brook Lopez is the most likely choice IMO. His contract is big so we would have to part with someone on large contract to accomodate him. Maybe even Turner if he doesn't work out by January. Turner + Leonard/Plumlee + pick would easily do this. Maybe even without pick.

Also, I believe Millsap will be available. Would be very short term and only for playoffs so I would not give up too much for him.

Oh, Hayward will also be as availble as Millsap.

Anyone but Lillard for Okafor pls..... Neil.

H.C. said:

Anyone but Lillard for Okafor pls..... Neil.

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CJ for Okafor would be very poor deal for us.

Sarni said:

CJ for Okafor would be very poor deal for us.

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With Simmons and Embiid, I don't think they'd have a desire for CJ.
Still have to consider it though. Okafor going to be good if he stays out of trouble off the court.

H.C. said:

With Simmons and Embiid, I don't think they'd have a desire for CJ.
Still have to consider it though. Okafor going to be good if he stays out of trouble off the court.

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CJ is a star, Okafor is still pretty raw and defensively suspect. CJ is exactly what they are missing, their shooting guards are poor but we will not give him. Crabbe for Okafor would be a good deal for both sides but when we can have superior Brook Lopez for a lower price, I would prefer him. Better mid range, better defense.

If we make a trade that actually "moves the needle" it will almost certainly have to involve CJ. I think that will actually help us, although it will make us a bit more conventional.

That said, here are some more minor trade targets:
BOBAN! (He's not getting minutes in Detroit, probably because he's not a very good defender. He got dunked on rather viciously by Valanciunas the other day. But I think we can all get behind a Pat C. for Boban trade)
Tyson Chandler: he's getting very old, but he'd still be a huge defensive upgrade for us instantly. The Suns signed him as part of an effort to land Aldridge, and now they've gone for a youth movement, so they should really be amenable to moving him. I think Meyers would be a fair swap - Gentry might like a center who can rain threes and just have the Suns go back to having 140-135 scorelines.
Nerlens Noel: he seems to have burnt his bridges in Philly but he remains an enticing player. He can get you steals and blocks in equal measure. Maybe a change of scenery to a less-crazy locker room would do him good. Maybe it could be like Marcus Camby being sent to New York. Dunno what they'd want for him, though.
Andrew Bogut: this is less likely. The Mavs have an odd roster and they probably like him, but if they continue to struggle, they might want to unload him and (see Tyson Chandler). But then again, as long as they have Nowitzki, he won't be the oldest guy on the roster.
Enes Kanter: Not somebody I'd want, but I'd prefer him to Okafor (essentially the same player, but Kanter is a more interesting character - Okafor seems sulky) and he's not getting minutes in the new OKC, and we know Olshey wanted him once. It might be nice to have SOMEBODY who can score in the post. But I'd regret it the moment we got him.
Danilo Gallinari: Again, less likely. But the Nugs have shitload of good young players and they might want to find minutes for players like Jamal Murray and the younger Hernangomez and offload an expensive and fragile player. I'd be very intrigued by this, because Gallinari really is multi-talented and I think he'd work great in a Stotts system. But can we afford to have him and Evan Turner both paid fat stacks?
Rudy Gay: I thought it would be a cold day in hell before I'd suggest this, but don't look now, but the Kings are playing well, and Gay is their best +/- player by a wide margin (yeah yeah, small sample size). Maybe he's grown up? Anyway, they've been trying to move him since practically before they got him, so maybe he can be had cheap. We're a bit stacked on 3s-with-the-skills-of-a-4, though.
Omri Casspi: not interested at all, but he's not getting any minutes in the new Sacto and I know some of you like him.
Willy Cauley-Stein: (last Kings player, promise): see Nerlens Noel.

Sarni said:

CJ is a star, Okafor is still pretty raw and defensively suspect. CJ is exactly what they are missing, their shooting guards are poor but we will not give him. Crabbe for Okafor would be a good deal for both sides but when we can have superior Brook Lopez for a lower price, I would prefer him. Better mid range, better defense.

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I don't want another Lopez. Okafor pls.
CJ might be exactly what they need 2-3 years from now.
But at the moment any player that takes the ball out of the hands of Embiid or Simmons is a bad move for the Sixers imo.
Personally if I'm the Sixers unless I'm getting a player like Lillard~ I don't trade for a guard who needs to be in his hands to be most effective.
While CJ can play off the ball due to his shooting. He's still at his best with the ball in his hands.

The Blazers could be really good with either a low-post threat that would balance the floor, or a wing that could actually shoot and put the ball on the floor. Crabbe can shoot and his handle is a little better than last year but he is still very reliant on someone else to set him up. Teams will continue to leave Aminu (who will be undersized against many good teams) and Harkless and live with whatever they put up while hounding Dame/CJ.

Strenuus said:

So what's Dame? Not an alpha dog?

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Too many Alphas spoils the pack.

Need another beta.

Yea i said it! we need that sassy girl on our squad!

I am not sure Okafor is an upgrade from what we have now with Plumlee and Ezeli.
I prefer quicker, more active, centers. Not sure Okafor can do much better against Jordan tha Plums did. 7-9 (17 pts) 8 rebounds, 4 assists, and 3 blocks. Maybe he can but I sure as hell would not give up CJ for him. I am just not as in love with centers as I used to be. I prefer a center by committee. Unless the center you bring back plays both ends of the court.

Get me an elite wing like a Paul George and I am much more inclined to consider it.

Another thought: Serge Ibaka.
Why this wouldn't happen: Orlando just gave up Oladipo for him!!!
Why it might: Orlando's looking pretty bad. Ibaka was supposed to be the perfect complement to Vucevic, but they may want to offload Vucevic. Also, Ibaka's a FA at the end of the year, and if they bottom out, they could worry about getting nothing for him. Leonard and Vonleh for him? I think Ibaka WOULD be the perfect complement for Plumlee.

When does Greg Monroe's name come up?

Crabbe is difficult to trade. PPP and/or kicker.

Before that article Quick put out where Dame talked about how Ed is his favorite guy, I figured Ed should be part of a trade package because he has value due to his contract. Even though I DO like Ed. But with Dame's strong endorsement of him, I've revised my out-going trade package:

Aminu
Meyers
Crabbe OR Turner
CLE's pick

Get the best player you can while sending these guys out. Aminu (and Meyers to an extent) are on value contracts, so regardless of what you think of them they should have some value around the league. Crabbe and Turner make too much and provide too little for us to keep both - one or the other will need to be traded. At this point I'd prefer to trade Turner, but it seems Crabbe has more value.

We can't afford to trade Vonleh. We need young players on cheap contracts to pair with Dame/CJ/CrabbeTurner. And now that Vonleh is just starting to understand how to play the game we'd be foolish to let another team reap the rewards. I never thought I'd say this, but at this point Vonleh is our 3rd most valuable player. Unless you're able to trade him for Anthony Davis I just don't see how we'd win any other trade scenarios.

I see two scenarios that would be workable:

Scenario 1: we want to win now so we go for Brook Lopez and Paul Millsap. It is a very short term solution as Lopez will be gone in 2018 while Millsap will be gone this year but it puts us in great position for playoffs if the chemistry is right. Crabbe and pick for Millsap would be doable, then some assets to balance the salaries for Lopez.

Scenario 2: we want to continue developing in 2-4 year peak window and go for one of Philly bigs plus someone else. A doable scenario would be Crabbe for Noel or Okafor, then trade up larger number of assets for Jabari Parker or some other young dynamic PF or SF. Maybe even Justice Winslow to develop him. Trouble with Parker is Bucks have no cap space either so we will have to balance the books, we cannot send them Turner/Crabbe and Aminu even though it makes perfect sense for them because they would not have space for them. We would need to let them dump some of their overpaid players here or involve third team. But Jabari Parker + Noel (cannot be Okafor as neither him nor Parker are great defenders) would be lethal. I think Parker might be on trade block because Milwaukee have too many bigs and not enough shooters.

KeepOnRollin said:

I would give up any and all of Leonard, Plumlee (only due to his big contract coming), the CLE 1st rounder, Aminu (I feel Vonleh can fill the role at 90% now and 110% later), and Project Pat (just as a throw in if needed to balance salaries) to get someone significant. Of those, Aminu is probably least likely moved. The real problem though isn't what we have that we could probably give up, the real problem is that teams just don't trade big time players unless those players specifically ask to be moved and are going to throw a fit if they aren't.

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I apologize if this was already mentioned, but this post right here did it and I couldnt read further due to my time becoming limited at the moment.

Could that next DMC?

Leonard/Plumlee/Aminu/PattyC and our CLE 1st?=DMC? Maybe toss in Layman? Lets see how they play the first couple of months, but if they are below .500 or well below, I don't see how he doesn't start getting very vocal about wanting to be moved and the more vocal, the less Sac will get in return. Especially with us, because Dame will contact him and let him know for us to flourish, we cant give up the bulk of the team.

I don't think we have the assets to trade for Cousins. It's not really about the quality of players as our potential trade block players will be mostly fine but I don't think any of them will fit Kings very well.

Pat has literally no trade value, he is not that highly rated, has done next to nothing in the league and will likely never make a huge impact.

Aminu is a VERY valuable asset due to his defense, versatility and amazingly low contract under current standards. Ditto Ed Davis who can fit two roles and is on cheap $7M deal. Even as back ups you cannot get anyone better at this price.

I think we have great assets to trade for someone like Millsap if Atlanta decide to rebuild which would be very smart from them given their situation. Having Crabbe would immediately sort SG issue for them (Korver is not getting younger), players like Aminu or Davis could immediately take PF spot after Millsap, Harkless would have great value too for them. Thing is from our perspective this is a 6-month loan. He's gone after that and we have no money to resign him. Only makes sense if Warriors look beatable and we look capable of beating them.

Sarni said:

Pat has literally no trade value, he is not that highly rated, has done next to nothing in the league and will likely never make a huge impact.

Aminu is a VERY valuable asset due to his defense, versatility and amazingly low contract under current standards. Ditto Ed Davis who can fit two roles and is on cheap $7M deal. Even as back ups you cannot get anyone better at this price.

I think we have great assets to trade for someone like Millsap if Atlanta decide to rebuild which would be very smart from them given their situation. Having Crabbe would immediately sort SG issue for them (Korver is not getting younger), players like Aminu or Davis could immediately take PF spot after Millsap, Harkless would have great value too for them. Thing is from our perspective this is a 6-month loan. He's gone after that and we have no money to resign him. Only makes sense if Warriors look beatable and we look capable of beating them.

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Swap Crabbe (providing he complies) with PattyC?

Leonard/Plums/Crabbe/Aminu/Cle 1st = DMC?

Dame will talk DMC into re-signing giving us a big three all locked in for the next four years. Four years of playing around with the right roll players and building chemistry so by years 3-4 we are truly contending.

Sarni said:

Pat has literally no trade value, he is not that highly rated, has done next to nothing in the league and will likely never make a huge impact.

Aminu is a VERY valuable asset due to his defense, versatility and amazingly low contract under current standards. Ditto Ed Davis who can fit two roles and is on cheap $7M deal. Even as back ups you cannot get anyone better at this price.

I think we have great assets to trade for someone like Millsap if Atlanta decide to rebuild which would be very smart from them given their situation. Having Crabbe would immediately sort SG issue for them (Korver is not getting younger), players like Aminu or Davis could immediately take PF spot after Millsap, Harkless would have great value too for them. Thing is from our perspective this is a 6-month loan. He's gone after that and we have no money to resign him. Only makes sense if Warriors look beatable and we look capable of beating them.

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If we are shedding Crabbe/Leonard/Plums(he will get a big one)/Aminu, that leaves money for DMC no?

Orion Bailey said:

If we are shedding Crabbe/Leonard/Plums(he will get a big one)/Aminu, that leaves money for DMC no?

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I meant if we get Millsap for Crabbe, we have no money to bring him back. He will be almost 33 too, so giving him long expensive contract would be stupid too.

Orion Bailey said:

Swap Crabbe (providing he complies) with PattyC?

Leonard/Plums/Crabbe/Aminu/Cle 1st = DMC?

Dame will talk DMC into re-signing giving us a big three all locked in for the next four years. Four years of playing around with the right roll players and building chemistry so by years 3-4 we are truly contending.

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Well they have Afflalo and McLemore at SG so Crabbe is probably an upgrade. At SF Rudy Gay is nearly gone and Crabbe would fit in well.

Leonard IMO has close to zero value at this point. Aminu is extremely valuable. Plumlee would be valuable for Kings if Cousins goes. I'd say if we involved third team it would work better:

Sixers get: Crabbe
Kings get: Noel or Okafor from Sixers, Aminu, Leonard (if they want to take him) and maybe even additionally Turner (if he doesn't work out) plus Cleveland's pick.

They have a nice center to build around again, they have a good SF/PF on a friendly contract, they might get a good playmaker to go with that too. I think they could easily bite. Sixers would IMO definitely take Crabbe for Noel and I would say they would also comfortably do this for Okafor, or maybe we would have to add something but not much. Perhaps just send Leonard to them too.

It leaves us very short on the bench but with some cap space. We would have zero back up in backcourt basically but we could just take a couple of role players like Lamb. We would still have too many centers so we could trade Plumlee for a power forward because Vonleh and Davis might not be enough, or better even a small forward because it'd be just Harkless here. We could make this work but would that be worth it? Bench we could always address later. Lillard, CJ and Cousins would be immense core, just worried about the price it would be at. If we could keep Crabbe, Harkless and Aminu somehow while doing this then great but we can't. Some have to go to get our third star.

The more I think about this, the more Noel/Okafor scenario make sense. Young and would stay for very long. Price would also be right. Cousins would be cool if we get to keep both Harkless and one of Crabbe and Turner. Aminu I like but he might have to go. Turner/Crabbe, Aminu, Plumlee, Leonard and pick is still an attractive package.